NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #49

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It will resume again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February 2025. Sandie Peggie returned to give more evidence on 29 July 2025.

Access to view the second part of the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 27 July 2025
Thread 44: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5380196-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-44 25 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 45: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5381518-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-45 28 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 46: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5381640-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-46 28 July 2025 to 29 July 2025
Thread 47: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5382102-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-47 29 July 2025 to 29 July 2025
Thread 48: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5382317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-48 29 July 2025 to 31 July 2025

Also works to "I'm getting married in the morning"

They are the very model of a modern health authority
They fail to follow process with astounding regularity
Kate Searle knows what side she's on, she followed where Beth led
And Isla doesn't know if she's a she or he instead!

Jim Borwick took the stand, he had an air of expertise
The screenshots had been doctored, he identified with ease
A few stray exclamation marks incurred Jane Russell's wrath
But showed that Beth led everybody up the garden path.

The contrast between NC’s somewhat stern and professional demeanour, and JR’s rather petty, whiny approach.

I don’t know if that’s strategy or personality, but it was stark.

You forgot, and I paraphrase,

I am a woman.
I am not a robot so I am biological.
Therefor I am a biological woman.

I am wondering how this sort of logic got him through his medic exams, his paper's must have been a hoot to mark

I agree, You might expect this from a naive, captured 15 year old, but for a medical doctor to spout this nonsense makes you wonder how he ever passed an exam.

Or is he not as stupid as he presents himself to be and knows perfectly well what makes a male and a female?

'I am bio-o-logic-ally female
Even though a cock and balls, I've two'

This works well to the Monty Python Galaxy Song!

Why so it does!

I'm biologically female
I'm made of flesh and blood and curls
No steel or metals
Just dainty petals
See I'm just like all the other girls.

I'm biologically feline
I'm made of head and feet and jaws
Fish for my dinner
My faux fur tail's a winner
Just with slightly bigger paws.

I've just remembered when that local council meeting went viral (Read the Standing Orders) and some women made an opera out of it. I wonder if they would be interested in this.

I think WS Gilbert must have had a prophetic nightmare!

"You must lie upon the daisies and discourse in novel phrases
Of your complicated state of mind.
The meaning doesn't matter, if it's only idle chatter
Of a TRANScendental kind.
And everyone will say, as you walk your mystic way,
If this young man expresses himself in terms too deep for me,
Why, what a very singularly deep young man this deep young man must be."

Spooky.

DH suggested their Lumberjack Song, & it works nicely with DU working days & SP working nights, if it were rewritten for each of them.

This tribunal could spawn a whole line of T shirts with slogans

I am bio-o-logic-ally female
Even though a cock, and balls I've two
I've told a whopper
But I won't come a cropper
'cos captured Fife believes me too

Does Upton put his "big girl pants" on over his tights?

Yes, there has been some discussion.

NB: I can’t locate the partner in the NMC archive of sanctions or hearings. This might be individual incompetence on my part but I tried variations of spellings.

Yes, should have added that in the original post.
It's meant as satire, though I'm curious whether he knows some background (perhaps from acquaintances or online sleuths) about the family, because he has made them take a consistent (fictional) position in this text.

Ian MacPhail is his current partner?? Surely not

I haven't had a proper look, but if you search the register it says he has been removed by a fitness to practise panel. It might be harder to locate the actual record of the hearing as it was a few years ago, but I'll see what I can find.

This is the first hit on Googling "Ian MacPhail nmc fitness"

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/sick-scots-nurse-struck-after-21900764

Yes, I was trying to find the record of the actual NMC hearing, just out of interest. Not disputing the facts as reported.

If it's the same one then no wonder Doyle fought against appearing.

Was that why there was a private hearing (or whatever it was called) in the final week?

He was placed on the sex offenders register and ordered to carry out 180 hours of unpaid work while also being placed under supervision for three years.

Is that it? What do you have to do to get put in prison for this sort of offence?

I think it’s the sentencing guidelines. The presumption is that a suspended sentence is appropriate.

I think I read that re the convictions and sentencing of Huw Edwards and Penny Mordaunt’s brother Edward Mordaunt.