NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #46

[nauticant]

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence had been intended to be 28 July with 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing was to have ended on 30 July. However, it became apparent as the hearing progressed that this schedule wouldn't be followed. (Considerable understatement.)

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 27 July 2025
Thread 44: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5380196-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-44 25 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 45: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5381518-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-45 28 July 2025 to 28 July 2025

Ham sandwich and an Irn Bru, surely?

"She is chromosomally male"

... Amazingly long silence ...

NC These r v rare
MC Yes. 1 in 1000 or 3000 for ?
NC No evid to suggest DU has any of these conditions
Not as far as I know
NC So DU is male
MC Shes chromosomally male. Afaik, she is also in terms of genetalia M but havent examined her

There you go!😄

Do you need to examine it though?! 😂

❤️

Giyoreee. I'm hungry now.

NC done 5 min break

You called?

Why would she assume he has male genitalia? He could have bought a neovagina for all she knows

sound gone after mic drop from MC

We are nearly up to 800 posts. Do we have a plan for the next thread in the wonderful @nauticants absence?

At least MC isn't trying to pretend that she needs to check a birth certificate to identify a man or a woman.

Diet irun bru. Got to watch that waistline

She's chromosomally male

That actual doctors are spouting this bullshit. 🤦‍♀️

2025, what a time to be alive.

Suddenly lost her eloquent verbosity at those last 2 questions from our Naomi...

I thought it was just me it was happening too. Glad to know it is not.

NC KS agreed bio sex had a clear meaning of whether M or F. Yr talk of mosaicism etc was a cynical attempt to blind trib w science?
No
NC Or worse to align trib w a sophis view of rejecting simple realities understood by lesser ppl like SP
No

Exactly. "It's complicated and only clever people understand what a woman REALLY is" is a common theme. Yet these clever people always need to urgently go and do something else instead of demonstrating their understanding of it!

A hour and a half to get a doctor to admit that a 6ft bloke with a dick is male. Sad times.

NC KS agreed bio sex had a clear meaning of whether M or F. Yr talk of mosaicism etc was a cynical attempt to blind trib w science?
No
NC Or worse to align trib w a sophis view of rejecting simple realities understood by lesser ppl like SP
No

sorry, TT not updating for me for some reason😒

She doesn't need to know, to know that he's a fella.

Can someone create a new one?

Just as an aside, I discovered when working in McDonalds in Edinburgh many years ago that the most glorious fizzy drink known to woman is 50/50 diet coke and Irn Bru. Unfortunately I CBA to open 2 cans to mix it up at home so haven't had it since I left.

They don't seem to have updated on mine either.

good summary tbf

Weird. Sad times.