NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #46

[nauticant]

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence had been intended to be 28 July with 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing was to have ended on 30 July. However, it became apparent as the hearing progressed that this schedule wouldn't be followed. (Considerable understatement.)

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 27 July 2025
Thread 44: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5380196-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-44 25 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 45: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5381518-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-45 28 July 2025 to 28 July 2025

Continuation thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5382102-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-47

At the NHS hospital I worked at, the post room was unstaffed and the door was always open. The porters would deliver sacks of post, drop them on the floor or sometimes sort it into pigeon-holes. I would never have known if my post went missing, because there was no log of post received. Terrible system, but probably not the worst in the NHS.

I can post TT without comment, until 4pm. It will affect my knitting though.

Urghh, sounds grim!

I have my crochet in my lap....

Thank you @nauticant for your tireless efforts on keeping these threads going!

I wonder if NHSF thought some of the messages supporters sent could be used to undermine SP. My largely unfounded speculation.

Thanks for the new thread, OP, and for pulling all the links together. Blimey, this case has been dragging on for a while, hasn't it? Hope Sandie is holding up okay through it all.

NC's "there have been developments overnight" is reminding me of Columbo's "Just one more thing", as he spins round, dirty mac swishing, just when the baddie thought he was going to walk away.

I don't think I'd trouble myself thinking about why grown-ass men want to transition. You can't trust them to be honest possibly even to themselves. Ditto why access to sss. The reasons for that can only be purely selfish. The exact reason given is irrelevant imo.

With children who say they are trans it's clearly different.

Surely the best thing to do would have been to ask both Sandie and Upton what they wanted to have done with their post? Idiots for just going ahead as even f the motivation was positive it could just as well have been badly motivated.

I wonder if the overnight development is that the second witness now won’t come forward after all.

Now I can't undo that image in my head!

Hmmm good point

I think there's more witnesses come forward.

They've opened up a right can of worms.

Or that someone else from that group chat has come forward to say there’s another reason Lyndsey had it in for Sandie?

I just hope it's something in SP's favour

What I'd expect with the post - given the apparent volume - is that it would be set aside and the addressee (SP or BU) asked to come in to pick it up at some point.

I don't think there's any reason to believe people were sending bombs or anthrax.

Tbh give the TRA playbook I'd be astonished if someone hadn't posted dog poo or worse to Sandie Peggie at Victoria Hospital - and given the way other groups glom onto the CLAW when it suits them, not that surprised if someone had done the same to BU.

Ah ok thank you! If someone had said "pure fanny" from the start I would have recognised it as a very common turn of phrase among Scottish friends!

Continuation thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5382102-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-47

Well this is going to fuck with the judges timings isn't it!

The coaster is a gift from a Scottish friend!

Continuation thread:

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