We must arm ourselves, say trans activists

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Why? Why do they need weapons? 🤔

We must arm ourselves, say trans activists
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/9f4637e9f24e8b09

No I’m serious. How do you know? We’ve been told it is often impossible to distinguish females from males and that we works never know some people thought male by appearance were in fact female. In fact isn’t the mantra “you can never tell”? You seem to have a secret way of telling them apart. What is your secret? I mean, if it is so easy to distinguish males and female, then it’ll be quite easy to point out when a male with a trans identity is in female facilities and ask him to leave.

Thanks for clarifying 👍

As in women who have become men? Yes?

Really? Because all the ones I have seen acting like violent thugs protesting against women having basic rights have been men who claim to be women.

Note the difference between

most women

and

A) Women were choosing to march beside the messages.

B) The organisers, of whom some are sure to be women, were not getting the police involved to remove the signs under public order offences

[Less/fewer etc]

Women attending had been informed of prior march signs highlighted by as you say they "very predictably lead the right wing media coverage" so aware of the VAWaG message used as part of the political message.

And if protesting as an informed protester will be aware of how MRA overlaps TRA when it comes to womens rights.

Yep. Must do better.

I also don't think anyone protesting the genocide in Gaza are anti-semitic because some people who participate in protests carry anti-semitic messaging, nor does that fact mean that the substantive issue at the heart of those protests is any less compelling.

The pretence that a group called 'Hackney Anarchists' are representative of 100,000 protestors is nonsense.

Are people who don’t say “take that sign down, it’s antisemitic” antisemitic?

They are indeed. And those that don’t condemn signs advocating for violence against women are misogynistic. And those defending the signs and minimising them are also misogynistic, but in a way worse, as they’re not brave enough to hold those signs and declare openly their hate for women, but they’ll support those that do.

Not necessarily. Someone doesn't have to agree with a sign to refuse to take on responsibility for policing the opinions of the 100,000 on a protest.

Maybe there is still more for you to see. I guess this is an example where more than one thing can be true at the same time.

So you don’t agree with the signs calling for violence against women, then?

Can you link us to any examples of trans men behaving violently at protests?

So of the two signs highlighted, which advocate violence against women?

One used derogatory terms for JK Rowling, and another from an anarchist group called for trans people to be armed. Neither sign actually advocates violence.

You'll have to forgive me if I don't give much time to the whinges of Mr Menno about all the dreadful signs using swear words.

I've not seen any posted. But certainly the two out of many thousands that have been posted here, I disagree with. But I suspect I'd disagree with rather a lot of what Hackney Anarchists have to say.

Ooo genocide.

March demanding government action for Foreign People and Foreign States yet ignore the UK citizens killed on UK soil for and by the agents of the UK State.....

And there are anti-semitic as well as anti-israeli people who wont be carrying signs marching.

Anyway your parable fails on the substantive issue

I also don't think anyone protesting the genocide in Gaza against womens rights are anti-semitic against womens rights because some people who participate in protests carry anti-semitic anti-womens rights messaging, nor does that fact mean that the supression of womens rights a substantive issue at the heart of those protests is any less compelling.

What about this one?

Or this one?

No. Insulting people is not the same as advocating violence.

Quite the novelty to see a TRA resisting the policing of opinions.

Personally I think if you see something obviously bigoted at an event you support you should call it out. Both because it is obviously wrong and because it gives a false impression of those taking part. Unless…

Sure, that one does advocate violence. So that's one out of tens of thousands.

https://nypost.com/2025/07/26/us-news/fashion-model-learning-to-be-a-man-after-being-pushed-to-transition/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nypost

'Since quitting estrogen in January, he’s come to recognize other negative side effects.
“I was really crazy on the hormones,” he said. “I was mentally unstable and cognitively impaired. And generally fatigued, tired, not strong at all in ways that I’m only now coming to really understand.”'

So I'll just leave this here after reading both op's post and the above in one morning.

Sigh....

Any sign which call for a person to be armed (from firearm to frying pan) advocates violence.

As I said feature. Not a bug.

At least own it.

Still haven't seen your thoughts about why you don't see equivalent signs at women's rights events?

So you’re saying JK Rowling isn’t a woman? You’re really doubling down in the defence of misogynistic men. Wow! So as well as the transphobia you showed earlier, you are also misogynistic. Well they say when someone shows you who they are, believe them. And I think you’ve just done that.

I suspect there's a number of reasons:

1. There is a marked difference between the range of views you will find expressed in a group of 100,000 compared to a few dozen or maybe a couple of hundred at most.
2. Some of those events don't so much need signs when they have actual literal neo-nazis showing up.
3. Again, signs aren't so much needed when you have actual direct violence against trans people and their supporters, such as a steward being assaulted at last year's trans pride protest.