NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #43

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence had been intended to be 28 July with 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing was to have ended on 30 July. However, it became apparent as the hearing progressed that this schedule wouldn't be followed.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:
drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025

You told us to rein it in, in your absence!

Tolkein? Tolkein? We have a misspelling!

(... and an exclamation mark, which is so unprofessional of me as an expert witness on the spelling of Tolkien ...)

Raspberry coulis. Delicious to pour over desserts, ice cream and meringues

Raspberry Vodka. Like Sloe Gin, but Raspberry and Vodka

I’ve never made jam but if I did raspberry would be high on my list. I did once make some very nice lemon curd though.
I’m on a slow Pratchett re-read, just finished Carpe Jugulum but thought I’d revisit Nation next.

Long time lurker and poster under another name. Love Pratchett, love baking, sew badly, crochet even more badly but getting better. Last weekend went to see the Crossness pumping station -amazing!

Raspberry gin is gorgeous. Like sloe gin but use less sugar. And after decanting the liqueur you can use the gin infused rasberries over ice-cream for a very intoxicating pudding.

Crumble and coulis are good calls. I could probably freeze some coulis in portions to use later.
I made some Creme de Mur with brambles last year, very nice, I wonder if that would work with raspberries as well.

Sandie handled that messenger chat from Lindsay so well. I’d have been spitting feathers! And she spelled her name wrongly, despite it being there to copy!

I never realised we had so many Pratchett fans here! I think he appeals to us because he us wise and compassionate, and sees things as they truly are. Also Sam Vimes is one of the greatest policemen in fiction, and Death is...Death.

The best sort of pudding
I might also make some raspberry vinegar but that doesn't need that may raspberries.
Looking at my blueberry bushes, I'll be asking for ideas for blueberries soon as well.

Ah, I read Just One Damned Thing After Another last year (randomly picked up as part of a multi buy offer) and meant to carry on with the series! Thanks for the reminder!

Also check out Dana Stabenow's series featuring...

Kate Shugak!

And her Eye of Isis series, and the Silk and Song trilogy.

I swear my River Cottage Preserves Book is tattered, falling to bits and basically held together with jam I use it so often. Favourites are the sweet pickled cucumber, tomato passata to tomato ketchup recipe, the souper mix and any of the jam recipes.

Agree about strawberry jam - until you're really familiar with jam set, it's a pain in the arse (as well as having to scape off the scum - I never found the butter trick helpfu). I have often been convinced that it is set only to be able to pour it onto my toast. Raspberry or blackcurrant are suitable jams for beginners.

Some details from the bundle from the Times:

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/20250726205540/www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/behind-sandie-peggie-nhs-fife-tribunal-emails-nhvtzvqkw" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.is/20250726205540/www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/behind-sandie-peggie-nhs-fife-tribunal-emails-nhvtzvqkw

https://archive.is/2l4Ka/image

Last para is my favourite:

A spokeswoman for NHS Fife said: “Throughout the course of the employment tribunal, NHS Fife has been clear that it will not comment on individuals or evidence while legal proceedings are ongoing. We remain respectful of the legal process and the role of the tribunal in considering all evidence presented.”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

ETA: Ah bugger, what's up with the link? Have tried to give an alternative. Sorry.

Apologies if this has been linked already, but this article really does it's best to present Upton in a good light. Trans tribunal phone notes were not checked in person - BBC News https://share.google/TyUl0rVIcstIvciHe

Deliberately restrained ourselves in light of your absence.
hope you have had a lovely day

I don't knit, crochet, sew. I jam, paint, write.

This is amazing! 😂

Just spent two hours watching Michael Foran commenting on the IT evidence. God to be there in person.

It’s compelling context - shows how impactful this evidence. And also shows - that if we believe the evidence - there is no technical reason for the dates changing - the only other option is human editing.

To go to those lengths to lie to a Tribunal halfway through it - on something that was voluntary - he didn’t have to give up the phone at all.

Going to these voluntary lengths to present false evidence to the tribunal could be viewed as sociopathic…..

People with the condition might seem charming and charismatic at first, at least on the surface, but they generally find it difficult to understand other people’s feelings. They often:
break rules or laws
behave aggressively or impulsively
feel little guilt for harm they cause others
use manipulation, deceit, and controlling behavior

Anyhow - I have some share tokens to access Forans substack and his previous post court updates so do DM me if you’d like to spend hours getting more immersed in the case. Promise to delete all data after and keep it in strictest confidence.

We have all been on our best behaviour, (to lull you into a false sense of security) but next time you go out and leave us unattended we will be having a party and the posts will go threw the roof!!! 😜

Hope you had a lovely day out.

I had a great meet-up with a bunch of friends, thanks very much. Pretty tired now though.

Let's see what Monday brings.

Also nice to see the three lawyers doing things together other than allegedly tampering with expert witnesses….

Naomi

Has anyone at Fife heard Sandies side of the Christmas Eve changing room incident yet? And any sign of that risk assessment?

I make chocolate fudge, frogs & bamboo grow in my garden, plus some herbs (not Beetle's favourite), never read Pratchett but do read Neal Stephenson.