NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #42

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025

Tis the way of purity spirals. Even some of those at the centre, look back and think wtf!

I've just had a scroll through the 20 something IT thread mentioned above - v funny. It reminded me of teaching myself to write by copying the random letters on the back of the old print outs DF bought home from work. Quite possibly in breach of the Official Secrets Act. They had these wonderful perforated borders punched with holes that you could thread embroidery silk through to make bracelets.... happy days (the v early 70s).

How dare you say such a thing!

She is a true paragon of virtue!

Sorry! I don't know what just came over me.

This guy has to be finished as a doctor after this surely?

That is a very interesting idea...

Indeed, it just sounds like she'd answered the question, Dr. Upton said thanks and Sandie left presumably cos I don't know she was working in a very busy A&E?!

R.e. exclamation ❗ I appreciate it might not be advised but hardly enough to throw evidence out. It's a standard indication of surprise, and it is surprising.

Yes, but they show he has been keeping tabs on Sandie.
And potentially other nurses who weren't keen on him. It shows to me he was wanting to pick a fight with someone.

While a fascinating diversion, I still don't think the details about the dates of creation of the phone notes really help the panel answer the questions before it, which are firstly was SP harrassed by DU and/or NHSFife, and secondly was she victimized by NHSFife?

The answers to those questions seem fairly clear cut even giving the phone notes their best possible interpretation without today's evidence.

I will be very interested to see how the Judge feels today's evidence assisted him in his determinations!

No on the front and !! on the back - ideally a reversible style.

Surely his invoice will go to NC chambers not to JKR anyway though?

I don't actually know how this works but seems more likely 😄

The GMC/MPTS take a very dim view of dishonesty. I think that if Dr Upton is referred then it would seem likely to reach tribunal stage as these actions may be enough to undermine public trust. If warnings, sanctions or suspension are imposed by the fitness to practice panel they are noted on your GMC record (searchable on GMC register) When applying for jobs it is required to state if orders have been made or that an investigation is ongoing.

My vague recollection is that JR said JB had been paid and he was saying that the invoice had gone out but he hadn't yet been paid. So, if I recall correctly, simply a point of precision.

Can't you just change your name and gender and get a new record?

I can't be bothered with all the detailed techie stuff so I'm just skipping the threads today and looking for headlines.

It's like when I read War & Peace. I couldn't stand all the pages and pages of fighty, boom-boom, shooty bits so I skipped them as I only needed to find out who was dead before resuming the story. In effect, I didn't read War & Peace, I just read 'Peace'.

To MG's office. The solicitor will handle payment from their retainer and invoice the client. Members of the Bar would never lower themselves to anything so grubby as handling client monies.

@Shetlands 😂

Why MNHQ did you take it away!!!

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Of course, makes sense.

Ha! Drs can kill patients and still not be struck off.

My bet is that he'll scuttle off to pysch services somewhere in a private capacity, only to re-emerge, as surely as the butterfly emerges from the chrysalis, as a fully-formed NHS Dr a few years from now. Probably with a few new blonde highlights and a pretty frock.

To be fair you can just identify as a cake in the shape of a

!

I was intending to go out this afternoon.

I'm not going out this afternoon.

If the tribunal finds he's falsified evidence and been an unreliable witness I will add my complaint to the pile the GMC already have. Lying in court should be a slam dunk to get struck off.

If Dr Searle is found to have embellished complaints and suppressed emails to the tribunal I'll be complaining about her too.

Google Dr Jane McLennan - psychiatrist who made up a report for an employment tribunal and was struck off.

Invoice would go to whoever instructed him. I'd assume SP's solicitor

I hadn't realised that the doctored note was specifically later adding in patient safety issue! 😳

From the Herald

His investigation revealed that Dr Upton had logged an interaction with Ms Peggie on December 18, 2023.
It originally said: "Working nights. Won't make eye contact. Won't acknowledge my presence.
"Not had direct conversation yet but I can feel the dismissal/hostility."
There was no other information added from that evening, with the next log noting the Christmas Eve dispute.
However, Mr Borthwick's independent investigation revealed that the log from December 18 was then updated on Boxing Day 2023 at 1:51am.
Dr Upton had added: "Needed to ask Sandie a question about a child patient who left before being seen as she had triaged them. Couldn't find her. HCA (healthcare worker) (Rehana) offered to look for her.
"Both came back. Rehana asked Sandie if any concerns while both were in front of me.
"Sandie didn't look at or otherwise engage with me. Responded she had no concerns.
Read more:

• Sandie Peggie Employment Tribunal: Follow our coverage here
• Row erupts over trans medic's pronouns at Peggie tribunal

"I said thanks and that I needed to know for the letter. She did not acknowledge me either through word or eye contact and left the area."

The GMC/MPTS take a very dim view of dishonesty.
Would they though when the Dr in question is a Trans identifying male? They were quite happy for him to change his record.

Hi all
I've been out so not sure if this has been posted already- apologies if so- the Herald blog's list of Upton's amendments:

1:46pm
Given a forensic IT expert was giving evidence, today's hearing so far has been very technical.
The details in our story put the pieces together with fresh detail.
We exclusively reveal:
Dr Upton first logged an interaction with Ms Peggie on October 16 2023. The medic said they were "slightly upset" by the meeting.
Another log from October 25 2023 describes a "weird" changing room meeting, where Ms Peggie left until Dr Upton had changed.
An original log from December 18 said Ms Peggie would not make eye contact. Dr Upton felt "dismissal/hostility" from the nurse.
On Christmas Day, Dr Upton logged changing room incident where the medic said Ms Peggie had told her she could not use the changing room, asked about "chromosomes" and likened the situation to transgender prisoners in the female estate.
The December 18 log is updated a day and a half later, on Boxing Day, 2023 at 1:51am. It contains details about patient safety concerns.
1:36pm
Political correspondent Rebecca McCurdy spent much of the morning in Dundee, analysing phone notes recorded by Dr Beth Upton between October and December 2023.
We reveal exclusive details from the evidence bundle - showing that notes from December 18 2023 were altered on Boxing Day 2023 to include a patient safety concern against Sandie Peggie.
Another patient safety concern, that Ms Peggie walked out of a resuscitation room, was not logged by Dr Upton.
Read the details here: Upton altered records to include Peggie patient concern