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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

DH -v- The WI, Thread 2

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Another2Cats · 22/07/2025 07:33

@RareGoalsVerge rightly pointed out (thank you) on my previous thread that it was getting near the limit and that I should start a second thread, so this is it.

This is a link to the first thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5333650-an-update-to-the-wi-announcement-thread-my-dh-just-got-a-reply-to-his-application-to-join-them

So, a recap.

DH has long had an interest in a couple of activities that were only offered locally by the WI. Obviously, it never crossed his mind to try and join as the WI is a woman only organisation - or so he thought.

But then, following the FWS case, the WI made an announcement that they would continue accepting trans identifying men (TIM) as members.

I suggested to DH that he could now join the WI and jokingly said (although it wasn't really funny, I'm not good at jokes) that he wouldn't have to bother with a wig and lippy any more.

So DH applied to join the local federation and was rejected.

Various things then happened and DH is now bringing a sex discrimination claim against the WI.

The WI instructed a big Tier 1 London law firm, one of the partners of which then called DH and explained that they would be relying on section 158, Equality Act and invited him to withdraw his claim.

After that they sent a letter to DH stating that in addition to the section 158 defence it was also the case that the WI "does not purport to establish single sex membership within the meaning of the EqA"

They went on to say:

"As such, it is free to define “women who have reached the Age of Majority” within its Membership Rules as it pleases, as long as its definition is not discriminatory. As we explain below, the definition “women who live as women, including transgender women” is not discriminatory."

They also said that their membership policy does not discriminate on the grounds of sex or render reassignment and that:

"The Membership Policy does not exclude anyone on these grounds. It allows for the admission of “biological” men as members, as long as they are living as women. It also allows for the admission of people who are not trans, as long as they are living as women."
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So that is where we are as of today. The next step in the process will be in early August so there probably won't be any substantive update to the thread until then.

But, as I said earlier, even though I don't always reply to every post I do read every single comment (often more than once) and having people take an interest really does make a difference. Thank you.
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PS In their letter, they put quotation marks around the word biological - "biological" (see above). Both DH and I were rather confused by this and thought that they were perhaps quoting him in the Particulars of Claim, but DH hadn't used that term.

On looking at the letter in more detail, the answer was found in one of the footnotes. They said:

2 Where references are made to “biological” sex in in this letter, quotation marks are used to make it clear that we refer to the term as used by the Supreme Court in FWS, to mean sex as recorded at birth. This is not a term that NFWI would otherwise use itself, because sex (including the sex of trans and intersex people) is not binary in this way.

[emphasis added]

Well, it's going to be interesting to hear that point argued in court. DH did make a point in the Particulars of Claim to keep referring to "men with the protected characteristic of gender reassignment", perhaps this annoyed them a bit?

An update to the WI Announcement thread. My DH just got a reply to his application to join them. | Mumsnet

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EmpressaurusKitty · 26/12/2025 12:03

Shedmistress · 26/12/2025 10:39

The biggest scam is to get you to sign up, then they take your details, get someone to fill in the forms, fake your signature and pretend that you have had some sort of 'intervention'. Which often is just you filling the form in. That triggers a 'start' payment.

Junk folder it is. Thanks @Shedmistress.

lanadelgrey · 26/12/2025 12:14

Fans of Victoria Wood, there is a Christmas special on iplayer at the moment. Lovely recurring WI skit with Richard E Grant 😂😂😂

WandaSiri · 27/12/2025 08:00

Hope everyone had a good Christmas.
Congratulations and thanks to Mr and Mrs Another2Cats.

NotAtMyAge · 30/12/2025 20:28

What is it with some women prostrating themselves to prioritise men and their feelings? 😠

Coatsoff42 · 31/12/2025 12:53

One of the telegraph comments on this subject called the sisterhood group ‘Misterhood’. A much better name.

RedToothBrush · 31/12/2025 14:08

ProudWomanXX · 31/12/2025 14:04

Throwing a tantrum?

murasaki · 31/12/2025 14:10

RedToothBrush · 31/12/2025 14:08

Throwing a tantrum?

A mantrum.

ProudWomanXX · 31/12/2025 14:26

I've had a quick look but I can't see the full list of the membership committee on the WI website, sadly.

PoppySeedBagelRedux · 31/12/2025 18:04

ProudWomanXX · 31/12/2025 14:26

I've had a quick look but I can't see the full list of the membership committee on the WI website, sadly.

I think I know why…

LittleBitofBread · 01/01/2026 13:23

GrandmaMazur · 25/12/2025 09:01

Excellent letter, making a lot of very pertinent points.
They could be in extremely treacherous waters re funding/donations if they continue with this sisterhood wheeze.

Gagagardener · 02/01/2026 09:20

@Another2Cats I have just read your final post. I don't suppose you will read this, but I wanted to put on record my appreciation and thanks to both of you for the stalwart determination and common sense you have shown. Very well done. Happy New Year.

Edited for typo

MrsOvertonsWindow · 02/01/2026 17:50

impossibletoday · 02/01/2026 10:11

This is a perfect summary of everything that's wrong. A trans identified man setting himself up as an "expert" and "training" NHS staff in his niche demands. These men used to be able to give these performances to children in school - I'd hope (but am not confident) that grift has dried up.

DamsonGoldfinch · 03/01/2026 16:25

MrsOvertonsWindow · 02/01/2026 17:50

This is a perfect summary of everything that's wrong. A trans identified man setting himself up as an "expert" and "training" NHS staff in his niche demands. These men used to be able to give these performances to children in school - I'd hope (but am not confident) that grift has dried up.

I think the NHS will be one of the last to fall (along with the rest of the public sector) but I think the corporate gravy train has been derailed. Margins are tighter, employee costs have increased and consumer spend is down. Business is looking for ways of trimming fat and training that delivers no measurable benefit to the bottom line will be first for the chop

PoppySeedBagelRedux · 05/01/2026 13:43

Well quite Damson. Maybe I need to remind M&S that I’m still boycotting them…

Stopbringingmicehome · 08/01/2026 23:54

i hope they're not using any of my subs for this .

BendoftheBeginning · 09/01/2026 13:44

DamsonGoldfinch · 03/01/2026 16:25

I think the NHS will be one of the last to fall (along with the rest of the public sector) but I think the corporate gravy train has been derailed. Margins are tighter, employee costs have increased and consumer spend is down. Business is looking for ways of trimming fat and training that delivers no measurable benefit to the bottom line will be first for the chop

Budgets are tighter everywhere, including in the public sector. I think relentlessly bringing court cases will sharpen senior leaders’ focuses pretty quickly, but we must keep the momentum up.

The workest company I worked in was a US VC-backed tech scale up. Don’t lose sight of the fact that the problem isn’t just in our public institutions, they’re just the bits we can see most easily - and do something about.

myplace · 28/02/2026 09:13

I’m very late to discover this was resolved! Well done @Another2Cats ! What a Christmas present.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2026 09:22

Fgfgfg · 08/01/2026 23:47

https://translucent.org.uk/wi-support-group/

Probably not. Following the decision in December Petra has now set up a support group.

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With “Translucent” 🙄

Chersfrozenface · 28/02/2026 10:50

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2026 09:22

With “Translucent” 🙄

I wonder how that's going.

Hundreds of members? Monthly meetings all over the country?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/02/2026 11:55

Fgfgfg · 08/01/2026 23:47

https://translucent.org.uk/wi-support-group/

Probably not. Following the decision in December Petra has now set up a support group.

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Presumably we'll see WI members joining good old Steph from Translucent at more protests outside feminist conferences ? Steph likes to protest about women meeting and speaking with male consent. Some of these protests enable abusive protesters to share threats of sexual abuse at women as well as the routine physical abuse.

Does threatening women with sexual abuse align with the new WI values?

Sex Matters has depressing evidence of the nature of abuse aimed at women speaking with women:

https://sex-matters.org/about-us/what-we-are-up-against/transactivist-violence-a-timeline/

Transactivist violence – on film

Videos and pictures of incidents of intimidation, threats and violence against gender critical women in the UK.

https://sex-matters.org/about-us/what-we-are-up-against/transactivist-violence-a-timeline/

Greyskybluesky · 28/02/2026 12:14

Really useful to know that about Steph and Translucent, thanks @MrsOvertonsWindow

Does threatening women with sexual abuse align with the new WI values?
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