NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #34

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-sil
ence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33

CM seems to have decided fuck everyone else I'm getting in the lifeboat

At this rate CLM is going to find it hard to return to the workplace!!!

if you can follow on TT, do so!!
CM: I asked whether formally reported, KS said no, I said then KS culpable for not reporting
NC: What did KS say to that?
CM: Nothing.

NC: Cd you tell tribunal, begin with Kate Searle?
CM: Was in KS office -
NC: Why were you there?
CM: To discuss shifts, to get both staff back in workplace.
KS expressed unhappiness re SP coming back, said patient safety issues had been raised, said racist to a doctor
!!

From TT -

CM: When I told dept SP was returning, some staff not happy. NC: Who? CM: ED, LC, KS [+another] NC: How did they express?'

So this would be

Esther Davidson and Kate Searl, who had already tried Sandie and started building the pyre.

LC? and another.

I bet they didn't want to have to face her.

Only up to 11.45. ED is coming across as a nasty piece of work.

I don't think anyone else has mentioned this but it's obvious she isn't Scottish. Those with a better ear than mine will be able to pinpoint her origin better but it's definitely Northern English.

CM: I asked whether formally reported, KS said no, I said then KS culpable for not reporting
NC: What did KS say to that?
CM: Nothing

U go girl!!!

I want to know what the fuck was Kate Searle's problem?

Probably a true believer.

NC: What about ED and LC, how did they make feelings known.
CM: Was again when discussing shifts, they raised what MC and KS had raised, I asked whether reported/escalated, they couldn't give me any info re dates, was just hearsay. SP had no complaints previously

I think Sandie should do whatever brings her peace, but if she returns I would love her to make grievances against all and request that if they are allowed to return to work after tribunal, they should be redeployed or have shifts arranged not to conflict with Sandie's regular nights.

Placemarking

West Yorkshire, I think, possibly Leeds.

Oh having a pop at Malone now. She's clearly looking after No.1 but I'm guessing she won't be popular at Fife after today.

Lottie Miles seems to actually have a brain and a conscience

Yep.It's sounding like KS was on a mission with upton to quash all dissent by any means necessary

NC Can tribunal conclude here that MJ and GM intention was that suspension should be lifted - subject to your meeting ofc?
CM: Well I didn't know, but yes can see that that seems fair conclusion

I've been posting cos these seem to be v imp statements by CM

One of those doctors who think that nurses should know their place?

Can't really blame her if she's been honest about trying to point out issues.

This reminds me of the Jo Phoenix ET where the HR Advisor was the only credible witness for the OU.

From TT

CM: My decision was to have both staff members back in the dept, had had meeting with SP and done full risk assessment

Risk Assessment. So they do exist.

NC: Cd you tell tribunal, begin with Kate Searle?
CM: Was in KS office -
NC: Why were you there?
CM: To discuss shifts, to get both staff back in workplace.
KS expressed unhappiness re SP coming back, said patient safety issues had been raised, said racist to a doctor.
CM: I asked whether formally reported, KS said no, I said then KS culpable for not reporting
NC: What did KS say to that?
CM: Nothing
NC: What about ED and LC, how did they make feelings known.
CM: Was again when discussing shifts, they raised what MC and KS had raised, I asked whether reported/escalated, they couldn't give me any info re dates, was just hearsay. SP had no complaints previously

Fifer : Oft so thur aw stitchin Wee Sondie up like an Arbroath Smokie and Lottie is cryin them oot on it. A huv tae say, canny wait for Turbogub Kate to get her seat in the chair!

NC: [ref] You were not copied on this at the time - email 26/2 M Jorgenson to GM, asking whether any news re suspension being lifted, GM's response we just looked at - that she was meeting you
NC Can tribunal conclude here that MJ and GM intention was that suspension should be lifted - subject to your meeting ofc?
CM: Well I didn't know, but yes can see that that seems fair conclusion
NC: Did GM pitch as, we need to get her back?
CM: No I think GM also surprised that I decided to revoke at that point - when I explained she agreed
NC: Influenced by letter from soliticitor saying shd never have been suspended?
CM: TBH no - I tend not to read things that don't directly affect my work
NC: So on 12/3 you wrote to SP saying you were revoking the suspension
CM: Yes
NC: You met SP 7/3, satisified yourself esp re risk, you presumably didn't fill in the form on the spot?
CM: No - took shorthand notes and filled out later

I would bet quite a few quid that SP has had just cause to criticise something KS has done/said in the past (perhaps disagreed with her on care of a patient?) and KS has kept a grudge burning ever since.

I've seen it happen first hand in acute care. Uppity nurses should be seen and not heard.

CM does shorthand! her mam must have told her etc etc etc see my earlier post about mothers always being right😄

It doesn’t matter. In these days of technology it is the first version that counts.

CM: I asked whether formally reported, KS said no, I said then KS culpable for not reporting
NC: What did KS say to that?
CM: Nothing.

Finally! 👏👏👏👏