NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #33

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.
Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32

How did you manage that - I still can't get hold of it.

Oh my lord, the roll call of press coverage is something to behold. Blistering sunlight, with not even the ozone layer to protect them. I have been hesitant to even hope that the tide of madness might be turning. I thought the best we were heading to was a begrudging acceptance that it was not possible to force people to believe that people can change sex. But this is different. This is the forensic dissection of where TWAW gets you in real life, and just how untenable a position it is to hold. It is not lawful, it is not equitable and it is not inclusive. Upholding this delusion requires people to take up positions of such batshittery that don't survive the light from inside the fridge, never mind the blistering floodlight that is Naomi Cunningham!

And as for the 'no one is talking about this - it's a niche issue!!!'

This was yesterday's The Scotsman on Saturday.

You might wish to consult a lawyer. Your employer cannot discipline you for holding or expressing WORIAD beliefs. Forstater settled that.

https://x.com/raqaellapaella?s=11&t=2iEOwI5dv2RfkDFQirxLfw

I didn't want to comment on the state of the horse. But I did think he could do with a groom.

Cannot legally. As we have seen, some workplaces still do it anyway. I'm still mostly keeping my head down at work as not only is the NHS totally captured, but so is the GMC.

And the BMA and most of the Royal Colleges. I really hope this case has some effect on them all but I am not holding my breath.

Haha Free Speech Nation currently has Julia Long on, arguing with a TIM, who is claiming that there's 4 genders!!

I agree!

One of my family members really struggles when we chat about all this because she keeps getting confused by the terms trans woman and trans man.

Now we are free to state that they are actually trans identifying men and trans identifying women, I usually do use those terms.

My post was my tongue in cheek rebuttal of the TWAW mantra in reply to a drive by scold a few posts earlier. It was in addition to two other sentences I wrote along the lines of "x-ers gonna x", "y-ers gonna y", "trans women are always gonna be men" - but in my haste I missed the "always gonna be" bit 😂

I normally watch Free Speech Nation on youtube on a Sunday night but tonight it's a definite must-watch.

I'll watch it once it's been streamed because I don't have a TV licence.

Playing catch up again! Thanks @Jacopo, here's an archive version of this article too:

NHS Fife staff demand chief quits over Sandie Peggie 'crisis'

Counter-suggestion: Carey Mulligan

Please. I'm begging you all. Could somebody post an actual archive version of that article?! I can't find it at all. Thanks!

And the BMA and most of the Royal Colleges. I really hope this case has some effect on them all but I am not holding my breath.

The BMA I understand - I saved some X posts a while back if I can still find them, showed how most members of the BMA don't bother to vote in the elections for board members etc, it was a shockingly low number so they were ripe for take over by young newly qualified activists.

However the Royal Colleges are surely headed by eminent Consultants who have worked long and hard for recognition. It seems incredible that they'd just roll over and suck up this insanity.

I am so impressed with the Scottish press in how they how they have run with the story, even from Part 1.

Meanwhile, in England the Times and Fail are just peaking about over the parapet but still like meerkats. The BBC hasn’t a clue what to do. The Guardian is doing an ostrich impersonation.

Oops sorry I tell a lie! It doesn't work for me either for some reason!

@GrumpyUngulate I know exactly what you mean. In practice, if you go against company policy they can make your life hell, even if you've not actually broken the law of the land /case precedent.
It's like @FinallyASunnyDay and @nocoolnamesleft said, employers and a lot of unions are captured. Especially public sector. They're in the caves, aren't even aware there's a mountain to go climb!
I'm really hoping that the SC judgement is impactful, along with these 'test cases'.

She's just lovely. I could watch her reading a grocery list. I definitely recommend The Ballad Of Wallis Island.

Although Emily Blunt - and indeed Emily Mortimer - would be good.

It literally costs £1

Which pays for the journalists who do the work to produce it. Local newspapers have such a crucial role in shining a light on things I can’t quite get the reluctance to put a coin into the bucket to pay for it.

Have a present idea for NHS Fife. I don't have much sympathy that they don't get formal training, as there are plenty of resources out there!

I posted a twitter link whilst badly multitasking (emergency potty incident and boiling over gravy) scroll down that twitter account has screenshots of the full courier article

All good actors. I nominate Gillian Anderson for a role.

Yes but it's also important to archive these things because so often things online get rewritten or mysteriously disappear into the ether.

Are we all trying to archive at the same time, melting the archive servers too 😅

so often things online get rewritten

They sure do! 🤣🤣🤣🤣