NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #33

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.
Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32

I think it was to do with the fact there had been an initial I/x started by ED which NHS Fife denied was an investigation and so didn’t submit documents for that period because the direction had been to documents re the investigation — v slippery but now we can see why. There were a couple of clues in the emails which is how NC clocked it.

After the letter short of action arrived they realised they needed to shift the narrative. They tried to claim that AG had been the only investigator and that ED had just been starting a process leading up to I/x.

All bollocks of course because

a) why did the suspend Peggy if no I/x
b) this is when the patient safety issues formed DU ‘formal complaint’ having not previously appeared.

So they were redirected by the judge to submit all documents. I doubt that anyone in NHS Fife legal team had seen KS email til later disclosure.

Since they didn’t immediately hang up their hats they must have spent the last few weeks prepping KS.

This case just gets more and more like a train wreck! Who knew we would be here when we were nearly finished on Friday?

And if the CEO does leave or get asked to step down, what decisions will the board then make?

IIRC I think it was referred to back in the spring hearing evidence as something along the lines of "KS sent an intemperate e-mail" - but it hadn't been disclosed by Fife at that point

that statement was signed off by the board??? 😱

i mean.....

.......

I genuinely have run out of responses to their behaviour. Is someone holding them hostage or something? Forcing them to behave in such a deranged way??

got a copy now, thank you!

The transcripted relevant sections that people are now releasing from
the bundle (which now includes the investigation material) is rather condemning. I wonder if whoever authorised that statement understood that political editors and others were transcripting parts of the bundle as they were now allowed to do and wanted to get ahead of the weekend news releases?

JR is a barrister and the first line of legal advice Is always a solicitor. They should have solicitors in their legal team. A barrister is for specialist legal advice or arguing in court. So JR would not be the lawyer they would approach about the statement.

Having said that, it would be more than advisable to at least inform the legal representative who is currently arguing this case in a tribunal that a press release about said case is being issued. It completely blindsided JR, and lawyers hate that.

No, that's a different article. This is the one we're after https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/5293043/nhs-fife-staff-boss-resignation-sandie-peggie/

Argh, @ThatCyanCat, I thought @moto748e had posted it but that was something else. Have you managed to get archive.is to save it? if so you should be able to share a link to the archived version.

Are they ashamed of being trans?

I cannot get the archiving site to work - just that I am #275 in the queue

Has anyone managed to archive the courier article or summarize the key points?

I think it was about 2:30/3pm.

several people on X posted a schedule of screen-grabs/updates with time and date, but I doubt that I’ll find them.

I'm still trying to archive it

Could anyone with access screenshot it?

I don't think it's mainly about being "outed" (as if no-one has a clue, bless them and their size twelves). It's about not getting the validation they demand.

JR is completely fine with character assassination- drawing out witnesses to comment on SP’s alleged racist, homophobic, transphobic, Trump loving views… even if these are total heresay.

Looking up Wikipedia and press articles/media appearances is hardly intrusive in comparison

It's not a case of 'how can she?' but why on earth would she want to? The other health boards that border Fife would probably line up to get a nurse of that length of service and expertise, especially one who likes working nights and likes it in A&E. I think she would have an amazing second career as a nursing lecturer with a sideline in guest lecturing to law students!
My gut feeling is that she's going to be holding her head high and going back to her job that she was doing before all this blew up, because it's about the patients and doing right by them. They should have a whole band of pipers to play her in on the first shift back.
As for her registration, I would argue long and hard with the NMC that these are exceptional circs and she should get another year to get her revalidation done.

Have you read my of India Willoughby's tweets?He's convinced he has a cervix and taking hormones means your body becomes female. Absolutely mind boggling

It's on the list but it's stuck at Loading. I can't see a way to get a link or PDF. I've not used it before.

This is what happens when I try to archive it.

I've ceased giving him headspace. He's either a shameless liar or so mentally ill that he can't be held responsible for himself.

Please do come over to the NHS Audit thread and help us there 😊 You are very much at the stage I was during Part 1 of the Tribunal when I got very cross and decided only positive action would make me feel better!

Any other volunteers also welcome!

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5353762-nhs-policy-audit-working-party-thread-3

Chocolate licked off a biscuit? Amateur night, kids play.

However, chocolate licked off a Tunnocks? Calls for years of training, nerves of steel and total concentration.

Hint, you start with malteasers and work your way up.

Oh yes the sacred rules of trans is we don't 'deadname'. We all play along with the game. We know what they are, they know what they are but we all must play the silly game. And they expect the general public to keep up the charade for their feelings. It's just lies, damn lies. It would be funny but it's really not when women's and children's safety and rights are compromised.

But surely self identified ‘cis’ people who’ve said they’re happy to share with trans people and don’t value single sex facilities will be all too happy to use the mixed sex loos too? And they’ll be useful for parents with an opposite sex kid with them so it doesn’t out you as anything other than someone who wants to use that loo.