arrested at Pride for wearing a sign saying Trans=mental illness

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Montgomery Toms has been arrested for wearing a sign showing the pink & blue stripes of trans=mental illness.

Arrested. What has happened to free speech in this country?

https://x.com/ESpeaksFreely/status/1941518454466748461

can you answer my question please and thank you

This seems remarkably hypocritical considering the catastrophising and absolutism you have done in this thread.

And this seems pertinent to point out too.

This is someone telling a mother that her son deserves to be in a police station for a sign.

'Be kind'... oh yeah.. not directly to a poster claiming to be the mother of the man in question. Remarkable when you see 'Be kind' in action.

@sugarsoiree
Men can be white, black, straight, gay, tall, short, hairy, bald, masculine, effeminate etc.
What makes a man stop being a man?

@SugarSoiree

I get the feeling you have jumped in with a hot take assuming TRA and TERF is tit for tat equivalence without much background.

Please compare www.terfisaslur.com and www.traisaslur.com to understand why we are saying these things are not the same.

TERF, whatever it once stood for, is used with such venom now and such disconnect from the reasons behind it that the word itself has become a slur and an insult. The type of people who yell "TERF" don't feel they need to explain why it's a problem or even what TERFs think. Just the word is enough now - if you attarct that name it means you are a bad person and to be shunned with no further thought or explanation needed.

TRA is simply not in the same league. You are finding issue with it because women here are saying it is misogynist and woman hating but what you are missing is that we are EXPLAINING why we disagree with this brand of trans activism.

The reason women here tend to use TRA is to make it clear we are NOT talking about trans people, we are talking about a very specific and narrowminded activist mindset, many of whom are not themselves trans.

The slur that is equivalent to TERF is Tr**n. It IS offensive, it IS used to insult, and it is nothing whatsoever to do with Feminist analysis of gender issues and I'm not going to post it in full here even just to say it exists. I do not believe I have ever seen that word on this board and I am sure if it were to be it would be reported and deleted not just by TRAs but by the "TERF"s as well.

I would love to know what led to the arrest. Was he asked to leave the event with his perjorative sign and refused? Was he aggressive towards members of the crowd who might have asked him to leave as he was causing offensive? The guy's a right dikk in my view, deliberately being provocative under the banner of free speech.

blimey, I hadn't clocked that this was @SugarSoiree

nice behaviour there

Where have I taken the piss or insulted anyone?

You're certainly a lot better at not taking the piss than I am.

Really remarkable.

For a sign. Apparently that is behaviour worthy of such a post.

There really is no symmetry at all being shown here.

This is it, isn’t it? There are no rights that trans identified people don’t have that the rest of us do. What they want are special rights: rights to single sex spaces that aren’t for them, to surgeries and medical treatments on the NHS that aren’t medically necessary, to have their birth records altered to admit them into a class they don’t belong to, to have everyone refer to them and perceive them exactly as they wish to be perceived… No other group makes these demands.

These demands for “rights” are misogynistic by the nature of the rights they’re demanding. If they had no protection under the law from bullying, harassment, and discrimination due to their gender presentation then advocating for those rights could be just TRAs with no negative connotation. If they were advocating for third spaces then fine. But the rights they’re advocating for aren’t neutral. They’re aiming to take away sex-based rights in a way that particularly negatively impacts women and girls. So TRA as shorthand for women hating misogynists fits and is fact.

It's Kafkaesque.

Under the dominant model of Transgenderism that these activists push for:

• Trans people decide that men and women are types of personalities not types of bodies and decide that everyone else thinks that as well even though everyone else says "uhm no, that's not a thing. It's literally just the sex you are".
• Trans people then decide based on their own rules that they have the wrong type of body for their personality even though that is only a thing because they invented these rules about what personalities fit which bodies in the first place
• And then trans activists demand that trans people be allowed to take the social, legal and political rights and roles of the opposite sex because being seen as their actual sex is absolutely awful even though they invented the rules about wrong types of people for their sex and even though they are the only people who actually believe in those rules and everyone else is just fine that they are the sex they are
• And then trans activists get the raging fearful fury at all the people saying "no, you don't have to have a particular personality to be a man or a woman, it's just a body", even though that worldview would allow them to be accepted as exactly who they are in both body and mind, and protest and attack and slur and dox and accuse everyone who criticises their worldview of wanting them not to exist even though it is in fact the trans worldview which is telling them they are not allowed to be who they are with the body they have.

So much wailing and angst about toilets when they could literally turn around and say "you know what, my body defines my sex but my sex doesn't define me, I am a man (or woman) because that is the sex of body, and beyond that I can be anyone I want!".

And the rest of the world would say "well, yeah, obviously. Who on earth said you couldn't?" and we could all stop talking about fucking toilets and go home!

I don't know what "a bit radge" means.

I have complained about the use of " men in frocks" in this thread.

Well what do you want us to call men who wear dresses?

Why would people be kind to someone who was arrested for being provocative and unpleasant?

Are people regularly kind to unpleasant people?

Trans women. Obviously. There is already a non offensive term for these people, why do you need to invent an offensive one?

it was not the person. It was the person’s mother.

Thank you for being so clear though. I appreciate that.

Why would I call a man any type of woman? They are not women of any kind. A woman is an adult human female. No male can be a woman. However much they really really want to. What can I say. Biology is cruel.

What about a man in a frock who identifies as a man?

Why would you need to call him anything other than a man?

You don't call women wearing trousers who identify as women women in trousers do you?

I want to call him a man in a frock possibly to describe him to someone.

Do I need to ask every man in a frock what his gender identity is before I'm allowed to describe what I see?

I'd say get with the programme, but I'm 90% sure you are

Well you’re the one telling us to be kind to people who threaten women, assault women, issue death and rape threats and disrupt women meeting so er…..

Yes, but she seems to believe that her son has done no wrong as he can use his free speech and is a beacon of courage and truth.

Free speech is protected, hate speech is not. Any communication which is threatening or abusive, and is intended to harass, alarm, or distress someone is forbidden. The penalties for hate speech include fines, imprisonment, or both.

In my book, having a sign which is offensive to trans people at an LGBT pride parade comes under hate speech because it was clearly done to upset the trans people who where there, knowing they would be there because it is LGBT pride. So yes, someone committing the crime of hate speech does belong in a police station and not being praised for harassing people or shown kindness for being so unpleasant in public.

And yes, before you bring up the kill a TERF signs, those people belong in prison too. Hate speech from anyone, about anyone, is unacceptable in a civilised society.

You're being deliberately obtuse, this term is not used about a man in a dress in Sainsbury's you might need to to describe, it is used here regularly to ridicule trans women.