arrested at Pride for wearing a sign saying Trans=mental illness

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Montgomery Toms has been arrested for wearing a sign showing the pink & blue stripes of trans=mental illness.

Arrested. What has happened to free speech in this country?

https://x.com/ESpeaksFreely/status/1941518454466748461

This is all just a weak attempt to try to stop women from talking.

How's that going so far?

Anything that I post on FWR suggesting that transsexuals have a MH problem gets deleted despite the fact the to get a GRC you must have a diagnosis of gender dysphoria from a psychiatrist who is a specialist in gender dysphoria. Doubtless this simple observation will also be deleted.

Oh don't be dramatic. Talk all you like!

Just do it without taking the piss out of people and insulting people! It's not hard!

Why? that is not the issue - the issue is about being silenced for a view - it's about free speech not what motiavtes a 20 year old to speak out, but about his right to do so

free speech is the point !

What was insulting or piss taking about what this man said?

gender dysphoria is literally a mental illness

It's 'transwoman', not 'trans woman'. Transwomen are men, not women. That's factual.

Dear God. We are allowed to take the piss, you know.

This is 2025, we can take the piss all we like, when we like, out of whom we like. Gone are the days when women are told they must defer, comply and must never be rude to a man.

And yes we can say that men pretending to be women and imagining they are living in the role of a women are larping.

And a man saying it's a mental illness doesn't sound in the slightest bit like piss taking to me. It sounds like saying something out loud that even transactivists claim. They need a medical diagnosis and medical treatment on the NHS.

We have men identifying as women on here saying the only people they see are doctors and they are living with a sword of Damocles of health issues hanging over their heads.

crikey. The scolding is never bloody ending

Honestly. I'll never get over people thinking they've got the moral high ground when they're telling women to be quiet and talk nicely.

Right in the middle of men decimating all their sex based rights!! Shh. don't be rude about it, love.

As an aside, I'd love to see how you're supposed to stop men determined to decimate women's rights, colonising all their spaces, and calling lesbians sexual racists whilst being polite 😁

Quite. To get a GRC two doctors have to agree that the person meets the criteria for Gender Dysphoria which is a psychiatric condition in the DSM5. And based on previous court cases the only reason the NHS fund trans surgeries and hormones is because it’s a mental illness. If it’s taken out of DSM5 it will no longer be a mental illness and it will become a form of self funded radical cosmetic surgery. Which is how it should be treated now really IMO

reading through all the posts, if people stop referring to trans people and just say man or woman, things would be so much clearer!

There is no third sex or way of being......a man who rejects masculinity is still a man.

It is impossible to be an activist for Trans Rights as they are currently framed without believing that something in a man (male person)'s mind makes him to all intents and purposes socially and legally interchangeable with women(female people) in matters not just of the mind (which is misogynist enough) but also of the body (which has no logical foundation) to the degree that there should be no legal, social or linguistic way to differentiate or segregate between them, and without believing that this is something that female people should be socially and legally forced to go along with.

So yeah, I think "woman hating misogynist" is pretty accurate.

By their actions shall ye know them and all that. TRAs may not look in the mirror and recognise that is what they are, but nevertheless that is what they are supporting.

It is clear when posters here use the term TRA the intention is to disparage the person they are talking about

it is clear when SOME posters here use the term….

how should i refer to an activist who fights for trans rights?

I see we are being fucking told again that we must fucking speak nicely. Next will come the 'I don't bother reading your posts because you didn't say it in the right way for me to bother reading information.

That seems to also fucking translate into 'if you disagree with me, you must do so gently'.

It really is relentless. 'Women, you have to use the special, stereotypical voice that I will listen to.'

I tend to use TRA to differentiate between people who are trans and people who are not trans…cos quite often they are very different

Women's rights activists are individuals who advocate for the equal rights and opportunities of women in society

not to belabour the point but i assume you can’t say WRA either….which is probably used as a derogatory term by SOME mens forums/groups/men

It is clear when posters here use the term TRA the intention is to disparage the person they are talking about

You've got that backwards. If transactivists didn't go around threatening women, saying they want to decapitate them, punching them at women's events, demanding access to their private space and calling lesbians sexual racists, the term TRA couldn't contain any disparagement.

you can see how it works, because when TRAs criticise women, they have to make shit up, in order to do it.

We don't.

It's just incredible.

Complaints about language that ridicule any other minority is not called censoring or answered with angry records of LET WOMEN SPEAK HOW THEY WANT I WON'T BE FUCKING NICE.

If people use language that insults or derides gay people, lesbians, people of colour, poor people, women or any other minority they are told that racist, homophobic, classist and misogynistic language is not acceptable. Society agrees it is not acceptable and rightly takes action against people when it is used. But language that derides and insults trans people being called out is met with the above.

Honestly, it's got nothing to do with women having to be bloody nice. You're making it about that. It's about people of both sexes not being cruel to minorities. Because it's not acceptable against any other minority so it shouldn't be acceptable against this one. And it's clearly not about women being nice because the person arrested for the sign was a man.

Men are not a minority.

I grant you, men who are demanding access to spaces where women and girls are vulnerable, are a minority though.

Your interpretation of 'derisory language' appears to centre around the use of the term TRA. An acronym for Trans Rights Activist.

You've been asked (quite a few times) how this term is derisory.

Because apparently the term TERF is A-OK (despite it not actually being factual - MERF would actually be more correct, as well as a slur as determined by a judge no less) but calling TRA's, well, TRA's is utterly unacceptable.

I could actually see a point if you were objecting to the use of say 'men in frocks' for example but as it is, you're coming across as a bit radge.

Being able to tell what sex someone is and treating them as a member of that sex in situations where sex is relevant is not insulting

reality check-there are no trans people-only men and women

I don't know. I think a male person who demands that they be treated as if they are female could be argued to be mocking female people. I don't consider them to be nice or kind. I do consider this act to be one of derision for female people.

I don't see a general trend in society of pointing this out, that male people who are making these demands are acting in a way that is misogynistic to female people. And they are. The outcomes are that female people are being harmed.

There really is a hypocritical double standard in respect to women and how they are expected to describe the people who are directly causing them harm. This thread is shining a light on that double standard at this moment.

There is a group of male people who have a transgender identity but who doesn't consider themselves to be female. They are not the ones who are demanding access to female single sex spaces.

I prefer to male transexuals as that unambiguously indicates their correct sex.

Blacking up is universally derided yet as soon as you put on womanface the BBC wants to interview you.