arrested at Pride for wearing a sign saying Trans=mental illness

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Montgomery Toms has been arrested for wearing a sign showing the pink & blue stripes of trans=mental illness.

Arrested. What has happened to free speech in this country?

https://x.com/ESpeaksFreely/status/1941518454466748461

My first post to you. Point out the rudeness or aggression.

"I can't speak for that poster, but we are male exclusionary. Not trans exclusionary. We don't exclude trans men. So are we only 50% trans exclusionary?
It's about excluding males. Not 'trans' people. It's MERF."

On that basis, "man" is a slur, as some people have said that men are woman-hating misogynists. But in reality, "man" is just a descriptive term, as is TRA.

If trans rights activist is a slur, what do trans rights activists call themselves?

It seems neutral to me.

Actually yes it does. The fact in playgrounds, workplaces etc, men are called “gay” for not conforming to masculine gender norms does in fact make gay a slur.

So if it’s not an illness, transpeople won’t need “gender affirming” healthcare will they? You don’t need healthcare for something that is not an illness do you?

No rudeness or aggression there.

I don't think this poster quite grasps what a slur is.

“Meanwhile TERF is just a factual statement isn't it, like you claim your insults for trans people are. The GC are trans exclusionary, and they are feminists. If some of them don't identify with rad fem then the only part of TERF that is not a factual statement is the radical but and being associated with the wrong branch of feminism is not a slur now is it.”

TERF is generally used incorrectly. As people have explained to you on this thread.

What is generally ignored by those using it is that feminists don’t exclude female people with transgender identities from their collective feminist efforts. And a large proportion of people with transgender identities are female people.

To be clear, the word female in the above refers, as does the EA, to those people with a body formed around the production of large gametes. Regardless of whether those large gametes are produced, have been produced or will be produced.

Please note though that the wording of ”The GC” is in effect dehumanising GC feminists. This is because it detaches any humanising element from the term.

Also, many people in society hold gender critical beliefs. Not just feminists. In fact, it could be said that a large portion of the world reject gender stereotypes that restrict people’s opportunities. This is uncontroversial.

What has also happened though, is that the term ‘gender critical’ has also been misapplied to groups who support gender stereotypes but who don’t agree that any male or female person can change sex. Those groups have been wrongly included but have been done so for a malign purpose. That malign purpose has been because those who disagree with feminists which to falsely align them politically with people who don’t share the motivation of liberating female people from axis of oppression that negatively discriminate against us.

So, the use of the terms TERF and ‘gender critical’ are too often used in ways that are meaningless. And both have been used as perjorative, sometimes attached to threats and intimidation. And Judge Knowles has indeed made the statement that TERF is a slur.

Leave you alone? You're the one that picked at me first. Twice in fact before I even replied and have been accusing me of all sorts.

Please do get a life and leave me alone.

Sorry, to clarify you actually picked at me three times before I even replied to you, and I would call the statement TRAs are indeed women hating misogynists, this is a fact rude and aggressive in tone.

So please, do follow your own advice and get a life and leave me alone.

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It’s not rude or aggressive, it’s an opinion. You are free to disagree but there’s quite a lot backing it up.

In historical linguistics, the process of an inoffensive word becoming pejorative is a form of semantic drift known as pejoration. An example of pejoration is the shift in meaning of the word silly from meaning that a person was happy and fortunate to meaning that they are foolish and unsophisticated.

Therefore the use of TRA moving from a factual statement to a synonym for misogynistic woman hater, as can be seen here demonstrated several times per thread but beautifully illustrated by Sammisnail makes it a slur.

It is clear when posters here use the term TRA the intention is to disparage the person they are talking about. It gets bandied about so often it is used against anyone dissenting from the main accepted view here. Even people who don't actually want trans women in women's spaces who just dare to say they don't like the disrespectful language used about trans people here.

. Even people who don't actually want trans women in women's spaces who just dare to say they don't like the disrespectful language used about trans people here.

and yet you have nothing to say about the language used by trans people attending rallies for trans ppl (or TRA for the shorter version) or indeed trans ppl attending events designed to give women a voice, branding signs suggesting women be killed, punched or pissed on

so it’s not really a surprise is it that your attempted gotcha of yesterday ‘aha! I don’t believe TW should be in women’s spaces’ hasn’t really landed?

Any comment?

There's currently a TRA (I'm sorry, anti single sex services activist) crowing about intimidating lesbians who won't accept males as sexual partners at Pride.

he believes he's fighting for trans rights. A trans rights activist if you will.

Well here you have resorted to absolutism and catastrophising.

Has anyone stated ‘all’ TRAs or is that you just assuming it for the purpose of demonising people who disagree with you? Have you assumed the worst possible interpretation in bad faith?

I know quite a few posters on MN who have posted quite specifically that there are groups of transgender people who rightfully campaign for their rights where they need them and were there are no negative impacts on other groups within the population. I would estimate that it is widely acknowledged that the term TRA also includes that group. I don’t believe that posters claim to say ‘all’.

However, it is undeniable that the term also includes extremists who seek to prioritise gender over sex when sex matters. Those extremists also include male people who use threats and intimidation against women discussing and campaigning for their own rights to be respected.

And here the lack of symmetry becomes obvious. Women campaigning for sex to remain prioritised where sex matters are not using threats or intimidation.

And using correct, accurate and often blunt language is not considered hate by anyone unless it is being used to silence discussion.

Of course their behaviour is wrong. It doesn't justify the way trans people are spoken about here though does it? There are bad people doing bad things in all groups of society. The fact that there is bad behaviour in one group does not justify or negate the bad behaviour of another group.

I don't really see what your point is.

I wonder which one of these men is doing the larping.

That will be none of them. LARPing is a creative pass time, not a lifestyle or personal identity.

Like I said, it's really annoying that the posters here co opt a hobby they know nothing about to take the piss out of people. One might call it ignorant.

Btw it's not "failed to land" it's been wilfully ignored because it doesn't fit the posters narrative. Two very different things.

I fear FWR might be about to be cancelled by the LARPing community

brace yourselves

Possibly you could advise what language is allowed @SugarSoiree ?

or you could just unclench and stop trying to police everyone

Nope. I can assure you there's no disparagement intended. When I want to disparage someone, I will do so.

What words would you suggest someone uses for an activist who works for trans rights?

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its a perfectly reasonable description