arrested at Pride for wearing a sign saying Trans=mental illness

[happydappy2]

Montgomery Toms has been arrested for wearing a sign showing the pink & blue stripes of trans=mental illness.

Arrested. What has happened to free speech in this country?

https://x.com/ESpeaksFreely/status/1941518454466748461

But he’s stating a literal fact. Trans IS a mental illness. Gender dsyphoria. There’s no argument there. It’s not at all like saying black = criminal etc because that isn’t true.

No it's not

They get legal documents

Yes, it is. 100%. And most don’t get legal documents that falsify their sex in official documents, but even if they do - it’s still a mental illness.

The document doesn't mean they don't have dysphoria a mental health condition.

The point is that calling someone who sees them self as a woman, a man in a frock, is deliberately offensive isn't it.

Meanwhile TERF is just a factual statement isn't it, like you claim your insults for trans people are. The GC are trans exclusionary, and they are feminists. If some of them don't identify with rad fem then the only part of TERF that is not a factual statement is the radical but and being associated with the wrong branch of feminism is not a slur now is it.

Huh? It’s in the DSM 5 (the latest edition) as gender dysphoria. I don’t understand how anyone can argue that. It’s a fact.

Don't be ridiculous. Death and violence can be called to any group, TERF is just the name for a group. It's the death and violence that's the problem, not the term which is just a factual statement about a group of people. TERFs are trans exclusionary, and they are feminists. If some of them don't identify with rad fem then the only part of TERF that is not a factual statement is the radical but and being associated with the wrong branch of feminism is not a slur now is it.

Calling for violence and death to gays doesn't make gay a slur does it!

Because goverment give you a legal document and remove your gentiala

On this board it is used as a slur as it is clearly used in a derisive manner and the posters make clear that to them TRA = woman hating misogynist which is both not true and the definition of turning a plain descriptive word into a slur.

What else should trans rights activists be called? That is what they are - it seems a neutral term, and more wholly accurate for what it describes than "TERF".

And I have yet to see women waving placards saying "decapitate TRAs" or similar.

I agree that some terms used on both sides are disrespectful. But TRA seems fair to me.

I can't speak for that poster, but we are male exclusionary. Not trans exclusionary. We don't exclude trans men. So are we only 50% trans exclusionary?

It's about excluding males. Not 'trans' people. It's MERF.

Excluding males from female spaces is what feminism is all about, and it is the correct form of feminism, not the wrong one.

Feminists have never called for the death of gay people (or trans for that matter). Unlike trans who have called for the rapes and skinning and burning and various other deaths of feminists.

TRAs are indeed women hating misogynists, this is a fact.

In order to get a GRC you must have a diagnosis of gender dysphoria.

Blimey.

Leaving aside the horrific thought of government performed genital surgery, let's be clear that no surgery whatsoever (or hormones or bodily modification) is required to obtain a GRC. Either before the application or after it. The applicant doesn't even have to declare an intention to think about it.

https://www.gov.uk/apply-gender-recognition-certificate

This returns us to the topic of the thread. Joyce doesn't believe there is a condition that can be called 'trans'. She does believe that gender dysphoria is a real and debilitating condition, but she no longer thinks that gender medicine and an attempt to 'transition' is an appropriate treatment for it. TRAs try to mischaracterize this entirely reasonable position (even if you disagree!) as a sinister plot to stop trans people 'existing', thus the impulse to stop debate and call anything that points out that gender dysphoria is literally a mental illness, hate speech. It's a strong argument against using the power of the state to limit speech, even if it seems like a harmless act of removing a killjoy from a public festival.

And there we go @ArabellaScott this is why TRA is a slur.

It's just describing reality about a misogynistic movement. If reality is a slur to you, you need to consider why.

Well TERF is a reality but posters a re claiming it is a slur.

You can't have it both ways.

Pro trans is not the same as anti woman, but I'm not going to have that debate with someone so clearly prejudiced.

OK, TRA's who are actively campaigning to remove the single sex exemptions as detailed in the EQA2010 legislation and which was clarified by the Supreme Court as corresponding to biological, rather than legal or self ID'd sex, are absolutely anti women.

Do you disagree? Hard to see how it could be anything but anti women.

And yes, yes we know, no debate. Was tried, didn't work.

But we accept trans men as I said. We clearly are not trans exclusionary. So it is clearly not a reality.

It's really that simple.

Pro-womens sex-based rights is not the same as anti trans, but I'm not going to have that debate with someone so clearly prejudiced. But btw, when that trans ideology advocates for the removal of boundaries for females and females hard won sex-based rights, it's a reality that pro trans is the same as anti women.

Is anyone else just absolutely fed up to their back teeth and beyond of these made up phrases words and name calling.

You are either MAN OR WOMAN
and you are also either RIGHT OR WRONG
that’s it.

It’s either factually scientifically correct reality or it’s made up fiction stories.

Let’s please go back to normality.

The idea that having a government document means you aren’t suffering from a health condition is laughable. People with disabilities have plenty of government documents I assure you.

The way you parrot my own words back to me instead of having your own and are clearly very angry and absolutist shows you don't have any grasp of the nuances in different peoples opinions.

To go back to the original post about an activist arrest - his aim was to provoke thought and open debate - hopefully that can unfold in a more compassionate way than has the debate on here so far - if attendees at Pride have freedom of expression, why should Montgomery Toms or anyone else - and as for public order offence - he was walking away, at the request of the police, was polite and reasonable... having WALKED AWAY he was then cornered by 11 police officers, pushed against a wall and handcuffed and helf for 9 hours in solitary confinement. This incident is far more relevant to ALL of our right to free speach - rather than an opportunistic springboard for a nasty debate over terminologies