Mumsnet Obsession With Penises

[Manfreglory]

My controversial opinion is that most of the Mums who obsess here over penises, uteruses and chromosomes, would pick more important and interesting topics if their own child was trans.

Personally i think comparing being trans to a curry is very transphobic 🤷🏻

Have we moved on from desserts? I'm really behind. I do love butter chicken.

Youve not been clear about much to be fair

I've got a real hankering to watch the Red Dwarf episode 'Tikka to Ride' now but alas, no access to streaming!

I'm sorry if anyone treats you as a social outcast, the subject of scorn, for being "abnormal". No one deserves that.

Are there crispy noodles involved? If so I might be open to discussion

My nan used to love a Vesta curry in the 80's. She'd have had something to say about a man going in the women's toilet, though.

I have stats for you @Manfreglory !

11% of cardiac arrests happen on the toilet.
Heart and circulatory diseases cause around a quarter (26 per cent) of all deaths in the UK; that's more than 170,000 deaths a year, or 480 each day – one every three minutes.
There’s a stroke on average every five minutes in the U.K. Stroke is a medical emergency that requires immediate attention as every minute is vital.
Almost 4.6 million people in the UK live with diabetes diagnoses. Additionally, nearly 1.3 million people could be living with type 2 diabetes who are yet to be diagnosed. Every week, diabetes leads to more than 980 strokes, 680 heart attacks and 3,230 cases of heart failure.

There are 630,000 people with epilepsy living in the UK, around one in every 100 people. Every day, 80 people are diagnosed. One in every four people newly diagnosed with epilepsy is over the age of 65. One in 67 older people have epilepsy and this number is likely to keep increasing.

Theres more stats on choking in toilets and asthma in toilets but you get the jist…

You know what the best design for people who rush to a public loo when feeling ill is?

Single sex design. Because they can have door gaps. So if you end up on the floor of a cubicle, you can be seen to be rescued quickly.

BUT if who is in the toilets is ambiguous, even single sex designs become private.

So mixed sex designs are always private, despite the fact that there are well documented medical reasons for so many people becoming ill on the loo.

When there was lots of consultation for document T on toilets, the government commissioned a report to inform the design for those with long term health conditions like those above.

Guess why the company who did that consultation decided to endorse enclosing toilet designs instead?

If everyone sticks to the toilet of their sex, designs can be safer for anyone at their most vulnerable.

Ah so no answer from @Manfreglory on their base number for women and girls sexually assaulted or raped due to the inclusion of the cohort of biological males who declare they are transwomen in women's spaces and services.

Two young girls, one 10 and one 12 have already paid a very high price for this non adherence to the Law whereby all males should be kept out of female toilets, etc., One of those girls had a knife held to her throat whilst transwoman Katie Dolatowski attacked and sexually assaulted her. Now, if you are going to claim that Katie Dolatowski is not a transwoman then may I suggest you say that to Katie Dolatowski and the very best of luck with that.

Suffice to say in all the years that the Law was adhered to and women's toilets were for the exclusive use of women and girls and no males, however they identify, were permitted access there was never an incident where a 12 year old girl had a knife held to her throat and was sexually assualted.

@Manfreglory bay like a lynchmob simultaneously trivialising the real history of African Americans and libelling women.

Pointing out that an idea in a man's head does not make him female is not any kind or harm or violence. A transwoman can be afforded every respect and dignity while being politely shown the unisex facilities they can use without destroying women's rights to a single sex facility. It is not hatred for women to say "no" to men's desires. It is disgusting to draw any kind of equivalence to the violent murders carried out by lynch mobs.

I was expecting something altogether more entertaining.

That's like me saying that mums who obsess over trans would pick more important and interesting topics if their child had a difference in chromosomes. Important and interesting is subjective, isn't it, so what's your point?

Just because same sex attraction was once treated as a mental illness, and wasn't, it doesn't mean that 'trans' being considered a mental health issues is wrong too.

Being sexually attracted to your own sex is nothing like fantasying that you're a different sex.
One's about a physical attraction and ones about wanting to be something you know you can't be.
Despite what the gospel of Saint Butler says womanhood is not a performance, it's a state of being you can only experience if your a female. There is no performance a male can put on that will make him a women.
A 'trans' male will always be a male which is why they need to use the bloody men's toilets. Not complicated.

I can name Susie Green because she was the CEO of the UK's leading charity for "trans kids", which has been the subject of multiple safeguarding scandals. (Hardly surprising with someone like her at the helm.)

Saying "trans women are trans women" is about as meaningful as saying "bumblebees are bumblebees". Yes, and? Is that supposed to tell us anything?

Trans women are trans women, which is a subcategory of men.

Trans women are just men who say they are women. It's not more complicated than that.

correction :

That does not mean ALL gay men are paedophiles. A proportion are. And I expect that the proportion is similar to heterosexual men because I haven’t seen the statistics that show otherwise.

See that is the thing.

There are no groups of male people who have the same risk or lower of committing sex crime as a female person. The statistics show in the UK that no male group should be exempt from being excluded from single sex spaces based on the rate that group commits sex crimes.

And because no one can tell who is and isn’t about to commit a sex crime, all male people are excluded. Even people’s lovely friends, partners, family etc. Many of us know male people who would never harm anyone. They are all still excluded.

That is the way safeguarding principles work. No loopholes, no groups of male people with special access to female single sex spaces.

This claim of yours is actually false. The correct claim is that not all gay male people are paedophiles (it is highly likely, like the general male population that most are not). What is also correct though, is that safeguarding female single sex spaces doesn’t require anyone to know who is and isn’t. Because ALL male people are excluded.

Just a PSA for our current wave of visitors from Reddit and/or whatever othef TRA spaces you’ve made for yourselves

we’ve been doing this longer than you have and you’ll get bored long before we do. We’re used to dealing with tantruming toddlers yes even the non mums like me

so you keep on trundling over; you're persuading no one and we’re not going anywhere because every nonsense thread, every foot stamping incoherent ramble generated by AI you post does our job for us

lol what

I have stats for girls raped in schools (over 1 per school day) and that’s got to be in places that are private which is limited mostly to cupboards and enclosed toilets I think.
I have recent stats on numbers in certain counties that do state what attacks happen in public toilets. There’s no central database.

However, I have campaigned for stats to show exactly what toilets women are being raped in. From my analysis it appears to be enclosed toilets - unisex designs. Private cubicles/toilet rooms favour the perpetrator as there are no witnesses.

Summer holidays, innit. Brace yourself, Brenda. They'll be coming, thick, and fast.

I’m off. Got a consultation to fill in……

The support for TIMs in female spaces keeps on falling. Can't think why....

@Keeptoiletssafe over one per day in schools is horrifying.

I'm sorry for all the abuse you've experienced. It's shit.

99% of sexual assault is perpetrated by males. Their 'gender identity' makes absolutely no difference.

Transwomen are men. That's the definition of a transwoman - a man, pretending to be a woman.

FFS OP.

My child would be trans if he'd been exposed to trusted adults who pushed gender ideology on him. Instead he was allowed to be non-conforming and is now happy, possibly gay and healthy.

You don't have any stats because they don't exist, OP.