Mumsnet Obsession With Penises

[Manfreglory]

My controversial opinion is that most of the Mums who obsess here over penises, uteruses and chromosomes, would pick more important and interesting topics if their own child was trans.

By knowing that sex is immutable, you can't transition to the opposite sex despite thought or feeling, that gender stereotypes are harmful, and knowing that you can't have the wrong brain in the wrong body because your brain is part of your body?

I see. Why the fuck did you start a discussion about it then?

Clearly this is a forum for mothers who've never loved and cared for a trans person.
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

Was I right? Are you 20 and sent home for the summer to wind up the wicked terfs? Many of whom do know and like some trans people - but who also believe in biological reality and safeguarding.

This thread was a bit amusing to start with but a number of women and men on FWR have trans children theyve loved and cared for minimising their own views to do so while others have become estranged becatse nothing but 100% validation and agreement was enough.

please ensure you stick to your promise of being done and don’t come back

I think most of us here do understand and sympathize with genuine gender dysphoria but we fundamentaly do not want biological men in our female only spaces and categories.

It would help if you could explain in what way a biological man becomes a woman and to what extent you think he should be treated as a woman in law?

There are so many mums of trans identifying children on here I have lost count. I am one. And I guarantee that that is the very reason they are on here and not still lost “being kind” and singing “lalala” and not thinking through the very real and often horrific implications of what a trans identity means to a child or to the women whose rights are trampled daily by trans ideology.

So please, take your sanctimonious assumptions and fuck right off. And when you’ve done that fuck off some more.

I would bring up my male child so that he doesn't learn to invade women's spaces, amongst unconsenting women. Other stuff, I wouldn't care. Call it obsession, I call it principle.

I'm taking my employer to court because of their trans staff policy at work. Crowdfunding needed, pls search for Faye Russell-Caldicott at crowdjustice.com

I always try to bear in mind we have no idea who is posting. Could easily be an 11 year old. Although many people live with astonishing amounts of cognitive dissonance, mixed in with emotive reasoning that they barely are even aware of themselves.

I expect it's a fairly normal part of human nature that the internet has just made more visible, but possible it's also fuelled/amplified by the medium.

Anyway. It's put me in the mood for butter chicken tonight. Rick Stein's is pretty good.

OP was clearly unable to explain anything whatsoever. They had a preconceived bunch of vague ideas and were jolly well going to shout at some women about them.

@Manfreglory actually quite a lot of us have children, or nephews/nieces, or children of friends, who identify as trans having been lied to by believers in the notion that it is possible to change sex

If you have the imagination to picture an alternate universe in which a cult arose that encouraged anorexic youths to start demanding access to wegovy/mounjaro and bariatric or liposuction surgery, and you can imagine the level of resistance to that cult which mothers of those children would organise, then you would understand that we do not stop fighting for the wellbeing of our children even if our children are currently convinced of something that is willdly misinformed and damaging to them.

Particularly autistic youngsters are being hugely damaged by all this because it is the natural state for all autistic teenagers to be massively overwhelmed by a sense of not belonging, and not fitting in, which trans ideology exploits and magnifies rather than helping.

Reducing the power of trans advocates by ensuring they are not allowed to lie to our children and making sure that it is widely understood and legally enshrined that no one ever changes sex, but that of course no one is ever required or obliged to live within the confines of the sexist gender stereotypes associated with their sex, is very much a part of protecting our children. There is no problem with ensuring there is no discrimination against people who are living at the extremes of rejecting all the sexist gender stereotypes associated with their sex, that's not detrimental to our children, but clarity about the reality and truth of whatvis happening is vital.

Extremely nicely put, thank you!

There's never any coherent arguments and it very quickly becomes "you're all transphobes".

Awesome thank you! I will give this a try!

I'm not a bad cook, it's just that curry is not my thing, so this is great 😃

I think I'll look out my auntie S's meatball curry recipe. Curries are good in hot weather.

Has anyone noticed that if you use (as many of us try to, I think) a slightly different turn of phrase, within 24 hours one of the mono-obsessive visitors will use it right back? Often slightly misunderstood - see 'anecdotal'. It makes me wonder whether the actual posters are human, but relying excessively on AI assistance, hence the general wordy incoherence.

Ah thank you for this too!

Yes it was something about how in the 50s everyone was completely bamboozled by curry and now we uncultured types are similarly bamboozled by trans. And some other equally nonsense points.

I will now share my most recent food discovery...

Tum Yum noodles in a packet. Packet of stir fried veg. Put together and you have a very tasty and cheap dinner.

My sister's child is trans. Neither of them believes that mammals can change sex because neither of them is stupid - or a coward.

Meatball curry?! Is this a thing?

Yes agreed. There's lots of incoherent nonsense flying in.

I’ve not read the full thread but my direct answer to this premise is you’d be concerned if you had a pre pre verbal 15 year old girl who needs a lot of carers attending to her intimate needs if told that anyone with a penis may be doing that.

id be more concerned if I was told that only women, including men who identified as such and had not had any surgeries, were the only group of people who’d be giving her care.

seemingly the world has learned nothing about how abusers deliberately target the most vulnerable in any which way they can.

no males AT ALL is safer than mostly women and a few men who changed their name to Gloria.

of course reprimanding threads like this are DESIGNED to shame women into be kind, the perfect cover for such abusers.

Which group of people is the most vulnerable to sexual assault? Women and girls who have severe physical and / or cognitive disabilities.

Why? Men know how easy it is.

What do men have that drives this? Penises

It really is very simple. Fact trumps delusion/illusion every time.

Male OR female. Man OR woman.

One cannot be or become the other sex. However one might want that.

It isn't kind or supportive or right to affirm nonsense like that. Particularly when there are potentially actual, devastating and irreversible consequences to health as well as mental and emotional well-being.

Have I got this right:
there was a question on AIBU 'What is your most controversial opinion?' and somehow this morphed into a bunch of posts appearing on the Feminism: Sex and gender discussions board, most of which display a total lack of awareness of the issues, a complete ignorance of the range of boards on MN, an unwillingness to debate any of their claims, and then 'you've never even met a trans person, door-slam'.

We've had our usual fun with the obvious silliness of a lot of the posts, but nobody on this board asked for these opinions. and frankly it's getting a bit tedious now.

Why did their contributions not appear on the board which originally asked the question about controversial opinions? How did then end up here? Can they all be moved back to AIBU?

Yes! made with minced lamb, spices in the meatballs and other spices in the sauce. She was very insistent on grinding ones own, but she always had help in the kitchen so I cut myself a bit of slack on that.

My parents got very fond of curry in the 1950s - their faves were in a Burmese restaurant somewhere near the Charing Cross Road, and when Auntie S came back from India late in the decade with a head full of recipes she was very popular.

Go ask your trans friends why they all keep their penises.

You'll be in good company of those who really obsess about their "lady bits and the euphoria it brings".

There must have been so many returnees with recipe books and eating habits shaped in Indian kitchens from 1947 on - though curries had been popular for centuries. Remember the bit in E F Benson's Queen Lucia (1920) with the guru/curry cook?

It's as though the OP knows nothing about culinary history or British and Irish domestic habits.

I think some of the OPs opinions "everyone thought eating curry was weird in the 50s", "everyone on mumsnet is married" "everyone is married to a man (traditional bepenised kind)" probably reflects their own ingrained conservative view of the world a little more than they'd like to examine.

That sounds good.

My mother used to make curried sausages in the 1970s. With raisons and always with sliced banana and coconut. It was really good surprisingly.

But I am not great with curry generally although I love a creamy passanda. I am afraid I just use a jar of korma and then add more coconut milk to even that so it becomes even more mild. And pappadums. Lots of pappadums. I'm more obsessed with those than penises to be honest. (And people with penises are not women).