Mumsnet Obsession With Penises

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My controversial opinion is that most of the Mums who obsess here over penises, uteruses and chromosomes, would pick more important and interesting topics if their own child was trans.

What is going on here this weekend? Are you and BeeSouris friends?

Manfred came to MN thinking it would be a GC version of trans/reddit, but was horrified to discover intelligent women armed with evidence, wit and curry recipes. Chris has now pitched up to prevent Manfred from actually starting to think for themself.

Also, male people suffering from dysphoria and feeling terribly disconnected from their male bodies never can and never will know what it would feel like to exist in a female body. If all other less damaging and drastic treatments fail and they eventually get surgery to change certain parts of their male body (which hopefully might bring them some measure of peace, and successfully does so for some), what they will experience is existence in a male body that has had some cosmetic surgery. It will not be the same as the experience of existing in a female body and their medical, social and psychological needs will continue to be those of a male person that has had some cosmetic surgery. No trans identifying male child has the faintest idea what it feels like for a girl either. The narcissistic arrogance necessary to believe otherwise is breathtaking. The idea that women owe these males the collusion of reassuring them that of course they are just like us - which is a ridiculous lie - is not kind. It will make their inevitable disappointment worse.

But all that is irrelevant because caring about whether or not a trans identifying male has or hasn't had a penisectomy is of entirely zero interest. There will be no genital inspections because no one wants to look and it doesn't matter. Males are male and do not belong in the womens facilities so why would checking to see if they have had surgery be a worthwhile exercise. Each individual knows the information about whether they have the body type that was born with a penis (or very rarley, born with a known and identifiable condition that means their male genitals developed differently) or whether they have the other kind of body (whether or not it is fully functioning). We'd really rather not be mentioning penises as thet aren't that interesting, but it's an easy enough means of helping any given individual who is hard of thinking to work it out for themselves. It is not misgendering, insulting, othering or denying the humanity, value or existence of male people to identify that they are of the male sex. Sex and gender being independent phenomena, they may have any gender identity or none, and this information is irrelevant for whether they are allowed in female single-sex facilities.

I'm 21. Of course I'm obsessed with dicks, willies, dongs, nozzles & ding-a-lings.

After all I SO wish I had one!
(Oh, sorry, isn't that what I'm supposed to say?)

And Chris is an expert when it comes to penises

Here's a fun gif

There have been some 'interesting' thread titles recently - presumably, because the OP doesn't usually follow up on them, the whole point is to get something 'anti-GC' in bigly letters on the Feminism: Sex and gender discussions board.

But this one is just weird.

Still waiting for the OP to let me know how they're so sure they're not trans.

Fear they may be shaking in a corner frothing at the mouth having an identity crisis.

What about the Dads here?

prob the same way you're sure.

😂 🤣 😂

Please bring back the laugh emoji, Mumsnet! 🙏

The origin of this post is that Mumsnet users were asked to share a controversial opinion.

This opinion has been reinforced beyond my wildest dreams.

Clearly this is a forum for mothers who've never loved and cared for a trans person. Or are able, even, to comprehend what that entails.

Too bigoted to understand that no, we don't all look and feel the same; yes, throughout history people's childhoods have been blighted by gender dysphoria and that: yes, it's a real, actual, come-by-it-honestly thing.

"Its absurd! It's made up! It's ideology! We cannot imagine it and we've never seen it so it must be a plot!"

Go back to your Daily Mail: I'm done.

Reminds me of the exchanges between Tom Swarbrick and Rachel who called in to LBC:

https://x.com/LBC/status/1504855407373787143

"Mumsnet users were asked to share a controversial opinion."

Were we? Who by?

😭

I was a bit 'eh?' by this as well -

Mumsnet users were asked to share a controversial opinion.

because we weren't. The OP made a controversial opinion and then seemed aggrieved when we wouldn't agree with it.

But I've just worked it out. There seems to have been a thread on the chat board yesterday or the day before titled 'what's the most controversial opinion you hold'. I missed it. The OP of this thread seems to have missed the boat in posting there (thread full) and, not fully satisfied in reporting any post which they disliked (see recent thread on this board about deletions on that thread, which is how I made the connection), started this thread without mentioning any reference to the other thread, beyond the words 'controversial opinion'.

I'm not sure the OP gets how this forum as a whole works.

Mumsnet users were asked to share a controversial opinion.

And now I've got the buzzer sound from Family Fortunes in my head!

There is another falsehood right there.

“Clearly this is a forum for mothers who've never loved and cared for a trans person. Or are able, even, to comprehend what that entails.”

There has been a steep increase of threads started with ambiguous original posts which then get twisted by the OP such as this. Twisted in a way to present a group as being bigoted.

What I learned from this thread is that the OP has expressed transphobic and misogynistic views on this very thread. And wraps it up with this latest falsehood.

The gate keeping of who is and isn’t trans seems to be featuring in some, too many actually, posts from those who seem to be self-appointed spokespeople for transgender people. Those posters who come and give their own definition of what gender is and who is transgender that is disconnected to what society has been told directly by trangender people. By that I refer to ‘trans people are who they say they are’ and that people are transgender if they say so.

But the post quoted sums up that this poster has no real depth of understanding the issues they discuss. So they have no depth of knowledge, but obviously feel they do, and gatekeep who is and isn’t transgender which is transphobic, admits to making up false statistics which ended up diminishing the reality for women and girls which is misogynistic, yet feel they have some moral upper hand.

This thread has been almost a replica, in this way, to the other latest threads. And ends up showing the OP to be reverse of the type of person that they seem to think they are.

OP, to answer your question, a DC deciding they are trans, does not change biological fact. A trans woman is not a woman, a trans man is not a man.

More likely they are teens going through puberty and find change hard to process. Possibly as they are gay, very often that they are autistic, sometimes that they’ve jumped on something their peers have jumped on.

Id take my DC to the doctor and for therapy to get to the bottom of it. The last thing I’d do is validate the delusion. And what they absolutely cannot do, is use spaces of the opposite sex while they work it out. Whether they are my child, or not.

Clearly this is a forum for mothers who've never loved and cared for a trans person. Or are able, even, to comprehend what that entails.

Incorrect. There are various posters on this forum with trans identifying children, siblings or spouses. They know far more about this than you ever well.

Knowing and loving trans people does not change material reality. Our concept of what it means to be a woman is not so fragile that having someone we love identify as trans is enough to make us want to redefine everything.

If my son identified as a trans woman I would worry deeply about him, grieve our mother-son relationship, and want to do everything in my power to help him be happy in his own skin. Even if that meant transitioning. But I would not support him using women's single sex spaces. Because I also have a daughter. And a mother. And aunts, and nieces, and female friends. All of whom deserve to have their safety and dignity respected. As do I.

Hold on.. I thought she’d radicalised us. And funded us? I’m confused. Am I supposed to be radicalised or radicalising?? 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

Clearly this is a forum for mothers who've never loved and cared for a trans person. Or are able, even, to comprehend what that entails.

Not true. However in my case the family member in question eventually detransitioned. She's been left with significant health problems from her time taking T though.

Funny, you TRA types never want to talk about kids like her.

And those of us who were doing this long before JKR got involved. Did she radicalise us retrospectively?

We're in agreement that helping someone with gender dysphoria is hard and that is a real condition. That is totally different from the TRA agenda to get everyone to accept that sex can be changed and is irrelevant in all circumstances. Most posters on here I think would feel absolutely that a child with GD should be helped to accept the body they're in, rather than being helped to irreparably damage it in the name of affirmation.

You can take the edge off the spiciness with coconut milk or yoghurt, so if whatever curry you make comes up too hot for your tastes, just add some plain yoghurt when you serve it.

I missed the 'curry in the 50s' post. Was it a corker of wild generalisations?