Wow. Have you seen all the Pride and Trans flags flying in the audiences at Glastonbury?

[DiamondThrone]

No. Neither have I.

Eagle2025 · Yesterday 17:48
In what way does trans ideology affect you? Just curious as I've never thought about it

Eagle2025 · Today 16:52
My opinions and views havent changed. I know that on this thread the majority would think differently to me. I've often looked at threads under this topic and know it's the most extreme corner of mumsnet thinking.

Which is it, Eagle? You know, you might risk giving the impression that you are not posting entirely in good faith.

I didn’t mention sex. We were discussing whether someone seemed “risky” due to perceived mental problems that you deemed a potential problem.

Simply a man being in a room, or simply a man being in a female only single sex space?

Either you're being disingenuous or you're a complete idiot.

Trans doesnt bother me. I have no issue with someone being trans. That hasnt changed. Trans ideology is not something I'd thought of in terms of why it would bother people if other people support trans? But not having an issue with trans people hasn't changed, in response to some of the comments I was replying to. I've looked at feminist threads before and I was aware most would not agree with my thoughts!

Well let's stop there then because I was talking about sex

Either. The sex of a person is not the thing that determines to me how safe I feel around them.

Nobody is suggesting that are all trans identifying men are rapists; but some may well be...and that is the basis on which we have single sex facilities for women and girls. To provide a level of safeguarding. And also, as already stated on numerous occasions, to preserve the dignity and privacy of sex ( by generally common consent).

There is nothing but the social contract to prevent anybody from doing anything. We rely on people having respect for common rules and regulations and the generally agreed consensus in order to operate and function in a civil society.
But just because some people care nothing about consensus or consent - it doesn't mean we should not arrange society in a way which suggests that they might.

I don't believe you. Certainly not if you are female.

Trans is nothing but a framing device for someone who wants, for whatever reason, to present as the opposite sex. People with trans identities are not a different kind of human being from everyone else...and they remain either male or female like everyone else. What the hell has identity got to do with anything?

I agree I wouldnt want men and womens toilets to be mixed. Not least because I think men's toilets are yucky. But what I dont actually have a problem with is a transwoman using the female toilets. I still appreciate he is biologically male though.

The post you quoted doesnt refer to identity but your own post does so I'm not sure what you are meaning?

But he's exactly the kind of man that makes the men's bogs 'yucky'. Aka, a man.

Why cant you believe me? Think about any nice man you know. Picture him in your head. Now think of a female person you wouldnt trust (I'm being careful how I word this so as not to offend). Now imagine waking up beside both of them in hospital. Are you honestly saying that simply because the woman was female you would feel safer beside her?

You are, of course, free to use unisex facilities if you prefer them.

Mostly from this shop
https://www.letwomenspeak.org/stickers

Do you have any female friends?

The point about public spaces is that they are full of people you don't know, and whose movements you have no say in. We've all got lovely husbands, fathers, brothers and sons, and male friends who we love...but most of us still want the privacy of single sex spaces in public situations.

Yes women can be horrible too......but the level of instinctive safeguarding is just not there in the same way as with a male person...and I think you know that too.

This is a great post😍

What did I just say!

Eeesh, not sure where your caricatures of mental illness come from

I was talking about my feelings and the poster was trying to suggest I was lying.

Yes, why?

Ffs. It's like trying to sum up a situation then someone wants a detailed explanation.

One Progress Pride window sticker in town, two low-key window stickers in the city (one being M&S ofc 🙄). Absolutely nothing in Tesco, whereas you couldn't move for Pride stuff in there a couple of years ago. No actual flags anywhere