Should trans people have fewer rights? ‘Not in our name’, say over 35,000 women

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https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/society/should-trans-people-have-fewer-rights-not-in-our-name-say-over-35000-women/

Actually 36,000 now. Heartening to see in these horrible times. It's always wonderful when you see people come out to stand in solidarity against the manufactured anti-trans panic.

since we know how "mean" some employers can be to clearly obvious women who are pregnant, why on EARTH should we assume they wouldn't be mean(er) to a transman? i mean literally all they'd have to say is "nope, you're a bloke, computer says no"

And even while i have a massive issue with transmen (especially with a GRA) getting pregnant, i still feel very strongly that they should have as much protection as a pregnant woman. Because they are women and i was very glad to see it reiterated that they get this protection.

That sounds alot like having two sets of rights?
Wouldn't that be described as having more rights than others?

There are an awful lot of mean employers when it comes to pregnancy. And why would a small struggling misogynistic employer grant maternity leave if they don’t have to? Why do they think pregnant women needed those laws in the first place?

but I guess we have different understanding of what is meant by words and stuff.
ah, some sanity. Truer words were never spoken.

how is having the same parental rights more rights than others?

Just as well isn't it, that the Supreme Court decided that sex realism is, well er, the realistic basis for equality law.

Pregnant transmen have multiple protected characteristics, including the protections for pregnancy/ maternity and also for gender reassignment. Many or most people have more than one PC which become relevant depending on the situation - eg I have PCs of sex, plus marriage/ civil partnership, plus disability, plus age, plus religion/ belief (thanks to Maya!) and so on.

edit: incoherence

The TRAs rarely give a second thought to trans identifying females and this attitude proves it. They are happy to give away legal protection to females to allow men to do whatever the fuck they like whilst manipulating the narrative to claim that trans identifying males are the ones who need to full force if the legal system behind them.

These men are utter pricks

but they don'T have MORE rights than a pregnant woman. that is the point. They don't have more, they don't have fewer, they have the same rights, as it should be.

Why don't you all start a counter petition, it should get way more signatures I take it?

We don't need to. We have the law on our side

😂

1. Pointing out that a petition has a stupid premise and a dodgy response base does not need another petition.
2. On the whole, courts, the law etc don't base their decisions on who's gathered the largest number of responses from internet randoms. TRAs seem to have great trouble grasping that (see, the self-ID consultation and all the pointless petitions since the SC decision).

They’re more protected in law as they’re covered by hate crime legislation, which doesn’t acknowledge sex/misogyny as an aggravating factor.

Oh we did. Years and years ago. And eventually the Supreme Court said yeah you're absolutely right.

I love the idea of a petition to state that there are two sexes and sex is immutable. It can go alongside the one about gravity existing and the earth being spherical.

I would say 'water is wet', but I have yet to clamber out of that particular rabbithole.

I am reminded this post:

that is not extra rights, people of religion also have another layer of rights.

They don’t - you get protection for not having that religion too.

As a man, you have the inherent rights that any man is born with…. None have been taken from you, you’ve never had to fights for basic rights like equal pay, the right to vote, the right to own property, a credit card or bank account , the right to have public toilets of any type, outside the home, the right to not have your child forcibly taken from you if you’re unmarried, the right not to be raped by your spouse …etc etc…

you know who have had to fight for these???

Women.

generations of women have had to fight tooth and nail, and still are, for our rights…. You have lost nothing, as men like you, are born with these privileges.

So maybe, stop the tiresome rhetoric that you’re such a poor, pathetic victim, and do some good in the world instead of moaning about the non existent rights you’ve lost.

Just to be pedantic, most men did have to fight for the right to vote too - in the 1850s only about 10% of men had the right to vote as you were required to be a land owner as well as male.

To women, our rights and no less.
To transpeople, their rights and no more.

now there is a toast

so what is your point? that a pregnant transman shouldn't have protection???

What happened there? @ParmaVioletTea ’s post was just about Karon Monahan’s Double Jeopardy interview where she discussed the effect of the SC ruling on transmen’s right to pregnancy and maternity protections.

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