Should trans people have fewer rights? ‘Not in our name’, say over 35,000 women

[BeeSouriante]

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/society/should-trans-people-have-fewer-rights-not-in-our-name-say-over-35000-women/

Actually 36,000 now. Heartening to see in these horrible times. It's always wonderful when you see people come out to stand in solidarity against the manufactured anti-trans panic.

Plop and drop?

The 'fewer rights' line is just so disingenuous, OP. You'd have more luck proselytising if you chose an article that was less nakedly manipulative in its word choices.

The Equality Act doesn't divide people into silos and distribute a share of rights accordingly. We all have exactly the same rights, which includes the right not to be discriminated against on the grounds of any of the nine protected characteristics except where discrimination is a proportionate means to achieve a legitimate aim. The supreme court explicitly said that one of the reasons for their decision was that it avoided a situation in which trans people have more rights than anyone else. Its decision left utterly intact their right not to be discriminated against on the grounds of gender reassignment or on the grounds of sex.

To put this in its proper perspective, this petition has been signed by about 1/1000 of the women in the UK.

And not all of them are actual women.

Oooooh 0.1% of Uk women - although many of those will actually be men

I think we're alright.

@MissScarletInTheBallroom Great minds think alike!

Of course 🤣

But keep it up @BeeSouriante as you are doing our work for us. You mansplain all over the place, make every thread about you and ignore and refuse to listen to women. You couldn’t be more manly if you tried.

Thank you for your services to Terfdom.

Well they claim to be "cis women". But point taken. They could be anyone.

It's very easy to garner signatures by using terminology which is at once emotive and vague. Of course nobody who wants to be kind and progressive will want to refuse anyone their "rights".
If they had been asked to support a list of the specific demands that have actually been made by transactivists, starting with "If I am convicted of raping a woman, I want to be imprisoned where I will have access to yet more women, including at times when they are in a state of undress", and ending with "If somebody encourages a distressed young person to wait untiI they are absolutely sure before having permanent life-changing surgery, I want to be able to get them convicted of conversion therapy", I suspect there would have been a bit less enthusiasm.

I have no wish for trans people to have fewer rights. And afaik they do not but have the same rights as anyone else. I do object - and it is now illegal - trans people having women's rights if they are men.

Quaking in my boots here.

“The petition refers to recent campaigns against trans equality as “false feminism that abandons the most vulnerable women leaving all women at greater risk”.”

And we are now at a stage where feminism is meant to define men as the most vulnerable women over actual vulnerable women.

And there’s nowt wrong with having a movement that priorities trans women- it’s just not feminism because feminism is not about benefiting men. You are welcome to your own movements.

This. Transwomen ( for we all know its this group of trans that shout the loudest) are men. They have all the rights men have , and have always had. They can use the toilets for their biological sex or the ' third space' if they don't feel comfortable in the gents. They were offered trans categories in sports but didn't want them. They can win literary and arts and science prizes as the sex they were born. They cannot take those prizes from actual women by entering categories meant only for biological women ( which they are not and will never be). Men have always had access to success in art and literature and science in ways women, who were constantly pregnant in years gone by, did not have . Now we do have and we will not give those up so the men, who have access to their own ( and have had access for hundreds of years), can decide they are also women and want a shot at awards that are nothing to do with them and that actual women have waited a lifetime for.

I am glad to see that creative writing classes are alive and well in Paisley.

This article manages to be factually inaccurate, fundamentally flawed and deeply offensive to women.

How fucking offensive to try to argue that trans women ( biological males) are the victims of the patriarchy in the same way as women of colour, victims of violence, in poverty. I am truly speechless 😶

If biological women choose to sign this petition I 💯 support their right to do so and in the same way it is absolutely my right to believe that they do not understand what they are talking about.

And the other approx 34 million women?
But thought experiment: 33 million of the women in the UK feel comfortable with either same sex or mixed sex spaces for women, 1 million vulnerable women will be disadvantaged by mixed sex places. Do we go with the unaffected majority?

The "fight for trans rights" we're currently seeing is an excellent example of the quote "when you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression".

Weren't they trying to flog this particular dead horse about a month ago? And 36, 000 signatures is all they have to show for it?

Article by Jennie Kermode, formerly of Trans Media Watch, I see.

I dont know any actual women who refer to themselves as 'cis women'. I'd rather have my ( entirely female) toe nails pulled out than use that term.

Goady, faux-naif tone.

Link to a pet publication.

Plopping.

@BeeSouriante having a normal one, then.

Oooh look. Another thread the poster will start and probably not bother their arse coming back to for days, if at all

What a lot of words to say nothing. Love the 'down with that sort of thing' vibes.

Of course, the petition author daren't even hint at what it is that they actually want.

Whereas we know exactly what we want and aren't shy of asking for it.
No men in women's spaces and safeguarding of children.

Quite. I can certainly envisage a situation where men would adopt a female ‘identity’ in order to further their own ends.

I’m guessing that majority of signatories are male.

I would have expected more tbh. No one wants trans people to have fewer rights. Which rights are at risk?

Lucky that trans people have the exact same right as non trans people isnt it?

But shame they never had and will never have the right to use opposite sex toilets, prisons, sports, refuges and sports teams/competitions I guess, from militant trans people's point of view anyway.