Inside Europe’s billion-dollar anti-gender movement

[BeeSouriante]

https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/news/article/inside-europes-billioneuro-antigender-movement

Figured that this would be more appropriate in here rather than the anti-trans forum. It's all kinda scary, particularly with Reform burgeoning and Labour larping as diet Reform.

True, but the U.S is far more fully captured as well. It is crazy to see the extent of capture...with males frequently competing in women's events; violent male offenders being routinely imprisoned with women; a former trans identified male acting as Secretary of Health, and so on. It is truly madness over there.

Have you no self awareness at all? Or are you really so self entitled that you have not noticed, or maybe don't really care, that this is a forum for women, primarily, who support women's sex based rights and protections?

Supreme arrogance will not win you any favours nor any argument, except in your own mind.

Interesting Bee chose the menopause as a topic we women should be talking about on here despite there being a board dedicated to discussion on the menopause, smacks rather of that time we women on here were told by a man we should only be discussing prams and babies and how dare we have the audacity to discuss things like politics. Just the same old, same old men telling women what they should be talking about, misogyny never changes.

Also raises a couple of questions - does Bee listen and join in when his purported feminist friends talk about the menopause? And what the fuck would Bee know or understand about the menopause as it only happens to women?

That would involve reflection and self awareness, though.

Did you honestly think you were going to convince anyone of your self centred world view by coming onto a forum that has long been the meeting place for women who are most interested in sex based reality and protections for that reality? Delusion is a strong theme here.

Who is this we?

What do you know about what feminists talk about? You most certainly are not one.

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I mean, feminists don't just talk about trans people..in fact they rarely talk about trans people, but on here all you do is talk about trans people..that's why we call you anti-trans.

We discuss so-called "transwomen" for the same reasons as we discuss other men.

It's because of their effect on the lives of women and girls. If all trans identified people were quietly living their lives (as they so often claim to be doing), and not having a negative effect on anyone else, we would have no need to discuss them at all. But they're not.

You don't need to be notified to read posts on threads you're on.

Go to "threads I'm watching". And please take on board that discussion on MN l - particularly the FWR section - is generally done assuming that people who post on threads read the entirety of the threads - including ones you're not directly tagged in or quoted.

That's the bare minimum requirements for posting on MN, along with the Talk guidelines.

If this is not achievable for you, then MN is not the place for you.

Please ask if you don't understand any of this as it's not always straightforward starting on a new forum. Which is why you look a bit of an ignorant prat if you start multiple threads then don't bother to engage....!

In some states, yes. Not in others.

Re: the Sec of Health: It was Biden's pet issue. I think he really believed he could be a civil rights hero. And he was always bad on many women's issues so I don't think he saw the conflict there.

Personally think he was a puppet of the Obamas.

I’m disappointed that Wikipedia allows people to post pages of disinformation about groups they don’t like.

I think people can apply to edit pages on Wikipedia. Does anyone know if there’s a feminist group that keeps an eye on this stuff? It would be very useful if we had a group correcting these lies, because a lot of people use and trust Wikipedia.

I wouldn’t know how to do it. But if some tech-savvy women set up a truth about feminism group, and publicised it on Mumsnet and other feminist channels, we could report these things to them and try to get them corrected. I think Wikipedia tries to correct misinformation, for its own reputation.

I think the trouble is, from my understanding, that the management and monitors of Wiki are very much anti feminist, anti women.

Wikipedia is very much a male sport, there are few women taking part anyway. Some articles are a lost cause, as they've been taken over by the Faithful (various issues or country articles). I've pretty much given up on contributing to those and train my child in recognizing these articles (a look on the discussion page helps).

Anyone who relies on 'It says on Wikipedia...' is demonstrating a lack of understanding of what proper research is. It's an immediate red flag.

I often use Wiki to check things like the date of the Battle of the Yellow Ford or the state capital of Wisconsin or how many All-Irelands Louth have won. the sort of thing that for some reason I have to find out ASAP or else...

I also use it to look for links to a range of sources, and I then apply the usual checks on the reliability of those sources.

I do that for other sources, e.g. the Yorkshire Bylines which Bee seems to rely on a lot - if you click on the 'About' section, and keep going back to the 'About' section of the groups that a source belongs to, you can usually assess the likelihood that it's a reasonably objective and dependable source.

I don't think Bee has that sort of disciplined approach to identifying reliable sources. That's OK, nobody's perfect, but I think Bee also isn't aware that quoting questionable sources is something that doesn't go down well on this board, we are quite picky about facts being verifiable from a range of reliable sources.

And BTW Bee - why are you pointing out that there is a lot of discussion about sex and gender, when you are posting on a board called Feminism: Sex and gender discussions?

And when you claim that all 'we' do is 'rant' about trans people, you are revealing that you know nothing about the - I'm guessing, 100?150? other boards discussing all the issues you claim MN ignores, and many more.

Do you post on the Pets board asking why they are constantly obsessing about non-human life forms??

I often use Wiki to check things like the date of the Battle of the Yellow Ford

It's very useful for that sort of thing - we use it as a rapid-fire history test when cooking pasta. If it goes in the pan at, say, 18.36 we than have 10 minutes to name events of 1836 and check to see how far out we were. Or if drawing a blank, to look up events of that year and try to remember them for next time it comes up.

The drawback of course being that the centuries are somewhat limited and the final 40% of each remains untested, so the Austro-Hungarian compromise never comes up whereas the first Anglo-Afghan war is a regular feature.

I'm so going to do this

@MarieDeGournay

And when you claim that all 'we' do is 'rant' about trans people, you are revealing that you know nothing about the - I'm guessing, 100?150? other boards discussing all the issues you claim MN ignores, and many more.

I think this is the thing that the "You don't talk about Feminism" ploppers miss. Feminism by and large is something you do. Out there, across those boards, women, I'm betting including a fair few FRW regulars under different names", are supporting women by posting advice and support, signposting women to resources, telling them they also have value, helping them make sense of what is happening to them in a world still shaped by partriarchy and sexism in ways that can be hard to see properly up close.

The history books show Feminism as marches and protests and events and yes they are important, but the real work is done at the personal level, woman to woman, sharing experiences and making sense of why this happens to us and coming together down there where the history books don't see.

And until recently in fact, in the UK at least, the time for marches demanding changes to laws seemed to be past. We had the rights and protections to stop sexism in theory, the problem now was dealing with the personal sexism and unconscious bias to stop it happening in practice. So that is where many feminist women's focus has been - not organised protests but groundroots and personal actions, writing opinions, publishing research on hidden biases and structural disadvanatges that hold us back or keep us unsafe depiste our rights and protections in law.

It's only recently, with the rise of Genderism and its counterpart in traditional gender roles on the right that we are again facing legislative and cultural threats. So maybe it is time to think about getting the banners out again.

The irony

Pasta with trivia?? Can I invite myself around chez vous next time you're cooking pasta? You sound like My People

If you want parmesan, you'll need to bring your own (I can't have it, and nutritional yeast is not the same).

We've found the real "most oppressed group ever"!

Women posting about issues that impact on women = ranting

Men pissing on statues, throwing piss on building, getting their moobs out and screaming at women = peaceful protest

Where pray tell, if we cannot gather and speak in public and we can’t discuss the issues here either, where can we speak?

Tsk, tsk, women aren't allowed to speak or indeed have any thoughts either. Although Bee will never have the guts to confirm that that is what he believes.

You do know the history of this board, don’t you? I mean you wouldn’t just say that without knowing?