Thought experiment: trans child raised by wolves

[MyAmpleSheep]

If a trans child was raised by wolves, would they still be trans? Would they still be at war with their own penis, or hope for a mastectomy?

According to comic book lore, the superhero Wonder Woman hails from the island of Themyscira, also known as Paradise Island, home to female warriors known as the Amazons. Are there inhabitants of Themyscira - all female - who, never having known any men, identify as male? If so, would they independently invent the checked shirt?

Ok - the bit about the shirt is tongue in cheek - but I'm curious what an orthdox gender identitarian answer would be to the other questions.

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Basically you're advocating for conversion therapy, which most trans people seem to be against to the point of wanting it outlawed. I'd agree with you, because accepting your own body is surely preferable to hormones, surgery and potential rejection from society. (Or maybe the societal rejection is outweighed by finding a tribe of trans advocates).

Do you feel yourself to be an outlier amongst the trans community, or have you found others who feel the same way? Sorry my question is too personal.

A single sex society would be a more feasible comparison maybe, then the person could have language to frame their feelings but not know the other sex existed.

If you didn't know bearded humans existed, you could not wish to be one. You could not be socially awkward in relation to gendered norms because there wouldn't be any. You could still be socially awkward, obviously, but would just label it as social awkwardness. You could hate aspects of your body, particularly aspects that change at puberty so you have experience of not having like having periods and growing boobs. But again, those are feelings many many women have anyway without needing to think themselves men. Does anyone actually like having periods?

Loads of women opt out of having periods via contraceptive pills/devices without thinking they want to become men.

Does anyone actually like having periods?

Some transwomen want them, it seems. I cannot fathom why.

Isn't conversion therapy when it's imposed on someone? I'm not in favour of imposing anything on anyone. I just think that it should be a possibility offered to people, that they should have a choice as to which kind of treatment they want to undertake. The way it is now, medical transitioning is basically presented as the only way to reach happiness, and the only reason someone wouldn't medically transition is because of social opposition; it couldn't possibly come from themselves.

As for whether there are others like me: I have the habit of thinking that I'm pretty average :P And indeed, I see more and more trans people on the net speaking up against what's being done to kids and young people, in the comments of articles or videos for example.

Isn't conversion therapy when it's imposed on someone?

Transactivist who are lobbying parliament say talking therapies are conversion practice if they encourage you or support you to be comfortable with your sex, even if that is the goal you are after. There should be nothing that does not fully force you down the ‘trans’ route from the moment a male toddler tries on a princess dress or a girl expresses a liking for football or a distaste for being observed as a sex object. Apostasy is not allowed.

👋 to Seethlaw, who answers everything in an amiable way

Seconded!

Why do the inhabitants of Paradise Island identifying as male?

And where do they come from if they are all female? Are they like aphids and can reproduce through pathnogenesis so are all clones?

Edited for the hard of understanding: pathnogensis is not a thing in humans or other mammals.

It's a shame that one cannot have the chance to experience being actually the opposite sex just for a while - though I suspect like myself and those I game with online the choice would be some perfect example to inhabit 😁. (I always play a man online, it's boring being me.)
At least it would provide the opportunity to know the difference between the true physical and social advantages and limitations. For instance I sometimes wonder if "man flu" is a real phenomenon and those of us with XX are genuinely more resilient than XY.

I actually did some research on feral children who lived with animals (and were in some cases close to 'raised by' them), and many did definitely try to copy animal behaviour as far as possible, though there wasn't much discussion of whether they thought much of their difference or not. For anyone interested, Savage Girls and Wild Boys & Feral Children and Clever Animals

Ideally they'd start with their mental issues first.

These types of children are so busy surviving (hence why many end up behaving in a feral manner, ie base instinct of survival, therefore no need or ability to 'become' human as they've had no ability to evolve to that level) simply don't have the time for the type of bullshit naval gazing that is utilized when exploring gender, believing you were born in the wrong body.

Similar to suicide and veganism, Trans ideology is a first world problem, whereby Western civilisation has taken care of its base needs of survival, ie food, water, shelter and gas the time/luxury to explore bullshit gender identity.

Veganism is hardly equivalent to trans ideology or suicide!

Vegetarianism and Veganism are first world problems. Do you think people living in third world countries have the luxury of turning down meat and eggs?

Same with suicide, most people are so busy surviving they don't have time to think or worry about their problems as there onlynproblem is surviving.

Trans, do you think men in third world countries are sat around wondering if their gender aligns with their sex and if not, what dress to wear? Nope, again, too busy surviving.

Does anyone actually like having periods?

"Like" is probably the wrong word, but I was very glad when my period finally turned up late after a condom had broken, despite the cramps being brutal as usual.

I might be looking for the word "relieved".

No trans-identified men are mentioned as living on the all-male planet of Athos.

Vegetarianism and veganism are not 'problems' at all. They are solutions some people choose to reduce problems such as environmental issues, animal cruelty, health issues, even the rising costs of food.
Obviously if ones very survival was at stake there would not be the luxury of refusing a piece of meat in favour of a lentil stew. However in our modern world its over indulgence rather than scarcity of food that's the greater threat. People restricting their intake of certain foods is a rational and sensible response to that.
I agree with you about TI, and think the argument is strong enough without the need for false comparisons with a harmless choice about one's diet.

In other words, veganism is a belief based system. Based on beliefs about how you should treat animals and beliefs about impact on the environment, for example that clear felling rainforest for the production of soy beans is better than the use of land unsuitable for arable farming for livestock.

The countries with the highest % of vegetarians are India and Mexico - do you consider them 'first world countries' with 'first world problems'?

When I see the price of meat in my local supermarket, I wonder how first world people can afford the luxury of turning down cheaper beans and lentils and fresh veg.
edited to point out that the soy beans grown in deforested Amazon areas are most likely used as feed for cattle which will later be eaten by meat-eaters.

Vegetarians or vegetarian diet? Those are very different. Vegetarianism that is not economic is still belief based.