World boxing to introduce mandatory sex testing.

[GargoylesofBeelzebub]

worldboxing.org/news/

Guess we'll finally find out whether Imane Khelif is female or not. I suspect he will avoid the testing "out of principle" 🤭

I'm glad I waited before laying in (ick!) getting any umbles. The deer of Britain can sleep safely tonight.

I mentioned this on a different thread a few weeks ago but try this on him. I partake in a sporting activity that requires me to wear certain clothing and to do this I need to completely strip off and get changed. DH and I travel to various places in the UK, all different counties, and the clubs associated with this activity all seem to have pretty similar changing rooms.
There’s a door marked male or female and you go through that and then there’s a short corridor and another door leading to a communal changing area.

There are no individual cubicles where you can get changed privately. There’s usually 3 or 4 loos if you’re lucky, sometimes just 2, and the same number of showers.
Women of all ages are in these open-plan changing rooms, teenage girls right up to 80+ year olds.
So does your “friend” think it’s absolutely fine for a male to come into the female changing room, where teenage girls are stripping naked? That these girls are not entitled to privacy from the male gaze?
Further, should that male person also be entitled to strip naked in front of any female present?
If so, what’s the difference between that male person and a common flasher?

If so, what’s the difference between that male person and a common flasher?

Oh oh Miss, Miss I know this one Miss

It is the feelz and they are far more important than my elderly maiden Aunt (or indeed my preteen niece) being exposed to a penis for the first time in her life.

I suspect you'll get the "Well, what the difference between a straight woman and a lesbian being in there, then? The lesbian might be turned on by seeing other naked women".

Just so you're ready for it. It's like there's a script they follow.

It all rests on the premise that TWAW. Once you acknowledge that they're not, the whole thjng collapses.

They're not women. What definable, categorisable trait do they have that they share with all other women and no men? And if it's an innate, psychological feeling, why does that trump material reality in the material reality of sports and changing rooms? We categorise sports by an undefined feeling? We say people with an undefined feeling should get changed together? A woman requiring intimate care can request it from any person with an undefined feeling?

What a ridiculous thing to say.

Surely he could have just taken the test required for the current competition to prove them wrong then sued for libel.

He really is just psychologically damaged at being caught out - my heart bleeds for him - not.

They're not women. What definable, categorisable trait do they have that they share with all other women and no men?

There's never been an actual answer to this, has there?

The shattering, shameful distress the world has caused by not letting this man indulge his dream of battering and possibly killing a woman.

Frankly, that kind of distress he can just bloody live with. WTF is the matter with the world?

The literal only reason he's distressed about this is because he's a man. Which is the whole bloody point...

Most of the MSM are focusing on the apology and the distress. It's so ridiculous!

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There's been loads of answers but they all boil down to "skirts, head tilts and girl voice" sorry I mean "a constellation of data points"

Ten Tunnocks tea cakes says TRAs will blame evil GC women for pushing poor marginalized Khelif out of boxing. And the BBC will push that line.

Exactly. So depressing. 2025 - what a time to be alive. 🫠

They're not women. What definable, categorisable trait do they have that they share with all other women and no men?

And not just here and now. All women, in all cultures, throughout the globe and through all time have one thing in common. Their sex. That's literally it. There is nothing else that all women share.

And as men are not of the female sex then men are not included in that group.

https://apnews.com/article/imane-khelif-sex-test-olympics-eindhoven-61eaa44549854d6a0d33f11b42f91631

Thanks Naut.

So the event organisers get to save face.

“The decision of Imane’s exclusion is not ours. We regret it,” tournament media director Dirk Renders told The Associated Press.

The mayor gets to perform inclusion without needing to acknowledge the danger of such inclusion with this statement.

Eindhoven mayor Jeroen Dijsselbloem criticized World Boxing’s decision.

“As far as we are concerned, all athletes are welcome in Eindhoven. Excluding athletes based on controversial ‘gender tests’ certainly does not fit in with that,” Dijsselbloem wrote in a letter addressed to the Dutch Boxing Federation and International Boxing Federation. “We are expressing our disapproval of this decision today and are calling on the organization to admit Imane Khelif after all.”

How wonderful to be able to feel wonderfully righteous about male people punching female people in the face! Just boxing, innit?

I think that World Boxing were running this to suit themselves but they also arranged things so that other parties got something out of it to keep them sweet to avoid it blowing up really badly. So far, considering what a mess this scandal is, the media management campaign appears to be holding together.

I didn't realise that Khelif had won the competition in his weight class in Eindhoven last year:

x.com/charlesarthur/status/1930734204926439673

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Boxing groups were among the earliest to insist on sex-based categories, because the cost of an angry trans lawsuit wouldn't come close to the costs resulting from an audience expected to pay to see a televised murder.

I suspect that this bloke is soaked in postmodernism. This article by Dawkins contains some insight into the anti-reality and anti-scientific mess that occurs when someone thinks that science is a social construct.

'The physicist Alan Sokal, one of the most effective critics of the postmodernist attitude to science, has summarised it as the belief that

“So-called scientific knowledge does not in fact constitute objective knowledge of a reality external to ourselves, but is a mere social construction, on a par with myths and religions, which therefore have an equal claim to validity.”

He illustrates it with following remarkable quotation from the sociologist Harry Collins:

“The natural world has a small or non-existent role in the construction of scientific knowledge.” '

Dawkins also clearly lays out that sex is real. https://richarddawkins.substack.com/p/is-the-male-female-divide-a-social

I still think that you are wasting your time, but it is your time to waste and if you are enjoying the debate, then maybe it is not a waste anyway. I don't think you'll change his mind though. 🙂

OK latest chapter

Him:

What rights don't trans people have?
The government banned puberty blockers and is thinking of expanding the ban to cover other trans healthcare — and the healthcare that is legal is segregated, gate-kept and underfunded to the point that most people can't access it. So "the right to life-saving healthcare", for one.

Me:

Puberty blockers are not banned. The route of puberty blockers and then cross sex hormones for under 18s is banned and for good reasons. If you take that route you never go through puberty. That means as an adult you cannot orgasm. You also do not have enough tissue for 'bottom surgery' particularly going from FtM. Also at puberty our brains change, it is as yet, unknown, what effect puberty blockers have on brain development. I know not everyone, well in fact most trans people don't do the 'bottom surgery' as it is called and with good reason, the list or complications is long, and while each is rare the majority of people have at least two complications. As to whether it is life saving, trans teens do have a slightly higher rate of suicide than non trans but it is not higher than other teens who are referred to CAMHS. Some of the other problems with children / teens in particular is that a lot of girls with autism feel there is something 'wrong' with them, they know that they are different, many will turn out to be lesbians but some (and as far as I am concerned 1 is too much) have been put down the puberty blockers route when they are not trans. Another problem, less so in the UK but big in the USA is that right wing Christian parents would rather have a trans child than a gay one. Are you old enough to remember 'Joella'? Joella is now Joe Holliday, some more reading for you. But when people like Joe and people who detransition speak out maybe we should listen to them. https://www.itv.com/.../man-who-was-raised-a-girl-calls...

OH I added a couple of bits.

Also on the BTS and the strip searching. Do you really think it would be kind to force a woman to strip search a man who claims to be trans? I bet you have not even thought of that have you?

Just a thought, you say healthcare is gate kept. I've had horrendous gynae problems since I was a child including a number of emergency admissions to hospital. I have never wanted children but could I get a hysterectomy? No, because 'you might change your mind'. But we live in a world where The Tavistock thought it fine to do a double mastectomy and hysterectomy of 12 year olds. Now OK I knew at 12 (before that actually) I didn't want children so I'm not saying a 12 year old can't know what they want, but can a 12 year old really give informed consent if they do not know the side effects? Can they really know what it is like to get osteoporosis in their 20s or 30s?

Here's a Twitter account arguing for a soft pro-Khelif position much more rationally than most of the accounts on that side:

https://x.com/search?q=from%3Aaigovagent%20khelif&src=typedquery&f=live

Note the account bio.

Yes I'm aware of the script. It's like a tick box exercise.

Trans women have always been around - tick
Trans women have always in sports - tick
Trans people are the most marginalise - I don't think we have had that yet
Trans teens will kill themselves if they do not get puberty blockers - tick
You might have trans family - tick (I don't think I do, but I certainly have female family and gay family)

At what point do I shout 'Bingo'