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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

World boxing to introduce mandatory sex testing.

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GargoylesofBeelzebub · 30/05/2025 18:15

worldboxing.org/news/

Guess we'll finally find out whether Imane Khelif is female or not. I suspect he will avoid the testing "out of principle" 🤭

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nauticant · 31/05/2025 07:50

SabrinaThwaite · 31/05/2025 07:00

History being rewritten already. Steve Bunce, the commentator used by the BBC who was full on ‘Khelif is a woman and anyone that says otherwise is a nasty bigot’, has been community noted on TwiX:

Bunce is now trying to do his own Community Note on the Community Note:

https://x.com/bigdaddybunce/status/1928698622096371898

IButtleSir · 31/05/2025 08:00

myplace · 30/05/2025 19:19

At least going forward, women won’t have to face fucking cheating arse men in the ring.

Remember that 'fucking' is a verb as well as an adjective- I nearly spat out my tea until I realised you were using it as the latter!

IcyPlumOtter · 31/05/2025 08:03

IButtleSir · 31/05/2025 08:00

Remember that 'fucking' is a verb as well as an adjective- I nearly spat out my tea until I realised you were using it as the latter!

😂

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 31/05/2025 08:12

nauticant · 31/05/2025 07:50

Bunce is now trying to do his own Community Note on the Community Note:

https://x.com/bigdaddybunce/status/1928698622096371898

Crikey. He’d decided that believing the evidence of your own eyes (that IK is a man) makes you a hateful bigot hadn’t he? Good luck rowing back from that Steve

ThatCyanCat · 31/05/2025 08:17

ArabellaScott · 30/05/2025 21:07

Probably because of statements like this, from the BBC's article:

'What is DSD?

DSD is a group of rare conditions, whereby a person's hormones, genes and/or reproductive organs may be a mix of male and female characteristics.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/articles/cq54ylnz8eyo

I don't know if the people at the Beeb are stupid, lying or both but it's full of shite these days. Grauniad reported that Khelif was "born female".

nauticant · 31/05/2025 08:19

I do wonder whether this is all about World Boxing realising that they've got to clean things up before the Los Angeles Olympics, and this is a neat way to make a start. If they allowed men to fight women there, the fall-out would be unpredictable and potentially huge.

usedtobeaylis · 31/05/2025 08:21

Why are people, mainly TRAs, insisting mandatory sex testing harms women? It's not subjective sex testing, all women will be subject equally. So what are they talking about?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 31/05/2025 08:25

usedtobeaylis · 31/05/2025 08:21

Why are people, mainly TRAs, insisting mandatory sex testing harms women? It's not subjective sex testing, all women will be subject equally. So what are they talking about?

we it doesn’t does it? But it does harm men who’d like to cheat by competing in the women’s category

Helleofabore · 31/05/2025 08:29

usedtobeaylis · 31/05/2025 08:21

Why are people, mainly TRAs, insisting mandatory sex testing harms women? It's not subjective sex testing, all women will be subject equally. So what are they talking about?

They claim it is invasive. And takes away people’s dignity. It was the reason they convinced the IOC to change the policy back in the 90s. Even though when female Olympians were surveyed, the results were overwhelming that female athletes wanted to keep the sex testing in.

The same arguments are being used today.

SabrinaThwaite · 31/05/2025 08:43

nauticant · 31/05/2025 07:50

Bunce is now trying to do his own Community Note on the Community Note:

https://x.com/bigdaddybunce/status/1928698622096371898

Doubling down isn’t a good look.

Bunce refused to believe anything the IBA said about Khelif and Lin Yu-Ting failing gender tests because of his conviction that the IBA is a corrupt organisation - it may well be, but that doesn’t mean it was wrong.

World boxing to introduce mandatory sex testing.
nauticant · 31/05/2025 08:45

Bunce will need to get a lot of scrubbing done on Twitter.

World boxing to introduce mandatory sex testing.
ThatCyanCat · 31/05/2025 08:48

usedtobeaylis · 31/05/2025 08:21

Why are people, mainly TRAs, insisting mandatory sex testing harms women? It's not subjective sex testing, all women will be subject equally. So what are they talking about?

It harms (ie, screens out so they can compete in their correct category) the women with penises and those the only ones that matter.

They also like to claim it will harm black female athletes because they are stupid lying racists who a) think black women are somehow equivalent to men b) don't understand that even if a woman, of any colour, resembles a man, the test will prove she isn’t and settle the matter and c) literally everyone who wants to compete as a woman will be tested, not just the black ones. God their lies piss me off. But they start off with the lie that men are women so there's nothing they won't lie about.

TWETMIRF · 31/05/2025 08:49

Khelif being treated the same as the other women is targeted harassment and bigotry. Subjecting IK to equal rules is singling IK out and could only be due to racism, transphobia, misogyny and is all part of a right wing plan to force all women back into the kitchen.

How can you nasty wims sleep at night knowing the pain and suffering you are causing this delicate flower?

Helleofabore · 31/05/2025 08:55

So WB have come through.

Now the rest of the sports that have ignored the issues. Football, we are looking at you! Internationally there are too many male people in football, even at Olympic level.

SabrinaThwaite · 31/05/2025 09:04

And there was Bunce’s reply to Billy ‘Voice of Reason’ Bragg at the time too.

World boxing to introduce mandatory sex testing.
World boxing to introduce mandatory sex testing.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/05/2025 09:27

nauticant · 31/05/2025 08:19

I do wonder whether this is all about World Boxing realising that they've got to clean things up before the Los Angeles Olympics, and this is a neat way to make a start. If they allowed men to fight women there, the fall-out would be unpredictable and potentially huge.

I thought that too.

Datun · 31/05/2025 09:30

I wonder, if to extend the grift whether Khelif will be persuaded to be all shock horror about the results. I had no idea. I always thought I was female. My life, my ambition, all tatters. My family are shocked, but sticking by me.

By not taking the test, it makes him look like a lying coward, as well as a male.

Datun · 31/05/2025 09:32

SabrinaThwaite · 31/05/2025 09:04

And there was Bunce’s reply to Billy ‘Voice of Reason’ Bragg at the time too.

I'm enjoying how these men are being made to look like utter misogynists.

It would appear that absolutely fucking no one really believed Khelif was a woman.

And anyone who said it, looks like they were doing so deliberately.

ItsCoolForCats · 31/05/2025 09:37

Sean Ingle (another journalist with integrity who has been great on this issue) said on Twitter that given that World Boxing was only given approval by the IOC last year, this is indicative of a wider direction of travel.

Things are looking much more positive for the next Olympics, and for women's sport in general 🙂

ItsCoolForCats · 31/05/2025 09:37

Oh, and Steve Bunce is an absolute moron.

Helleofabore · 31/05/2025 09:37

Helleofabore · 31/05/2025 08:55

So WB have come through.

Now the rest of the sports that have ignored the issues. Football, we are looking at you! Internationally there are too many male people in football, even at Olympic level.

Obviously I am referring to male people in female football events. When with sex testing and robust policy there should be none.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/05/2025 09:41

Datun · 31/05/2025 09:32

I'm enjoying how these men are being made to look like utter misogynists.

It would appear that absolutely fucking no one really believed Khelif was a woman.

And anyone who said it, looks like they were doing so deliberately.

It’s quite breathtaking.

BezMills · 31/05/2025 09:43

Buncie can't wibble his way out of this. Receipts have been retained

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 31/05/2025 09:43

Here's a good article on it, Women of the World Unite, and fight, fight, fight. (pin intended)

'Caroline Franssen of “Dutch Coalition for Women’s Rights” who had planned a protest at the event told me,

We were protesting because Imane Khelif is a man, and it was dangerous and unfair to let him participate in the women’s category. As amateur boxers aren’t allowed to refuse when they are invited to a match, this would have been forced upon women. The women who were boxing against him, must have feared for their health and even for their lives. Men punch 163% harder than women, and women have softer skulls and suffer more injuries than men. Simple sex testing will end this abomination.'

'Female boxers might have been forced into silence, but other women took the fight to the doors of World Boxing on their behalf.
Roisin Michaux who organised the Paris protests which brought the attention of the world’s media to the issue said last night:

I feel dizzy. If this is true, if women forced this change, it means that grassroots organising matters – it means every single warm body that shows up to a protest matters. It makes me hopeful that we can have an influence on all the other crazy policy and legal challenges ahead of us. It’s a glimmer of hope for a return to sanity.'

Don’t throw in the towel on women’s sports | Jean Hatchet | The Critic Magazine

EweSurname · 31/05/2025 09:47

How likely is it that the home country administering the tests means that the results can be compromised?