Am I naive in thinking that in a couple of years, if not sooner, this will all be behind us? A few court cases, people clear about the law, women's rights protected again??

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And yes the noisy TRA far fewer in number and sidelined as the sad fringe that are left as others move on.....

Or do others think it will pan out differently??

Which is good. Depressed, confused, unhappy kids with around a 90% chance of growing up to be gay and/or autistic need safe spaces, talking therapy and support, not hideous untested drugs that will fuck their bones, health and fertility for life. I don't mind the character when it's just talking nonsense about terror in toilets and Lady Bigfoot, but stay away from the kids. They need many things but being kept artificially pre pubescent by adults who wants cocks out in the women's changing rooms isn't one of them. Creep off.

Hmm

when you identify plastic surgery and cross sex hormones as ‘health care’ then yeah, you’re probably going to be disappointed tbh.

This is you living with dignity, is it? Ok.

PS being told to use men's spaces isn't being eradicated, you drama llama.

You mean the many trans people just living their lives and not playing the eternal victim and actually being accepted by the vast majority of people they meet? Oh, and playing a full part in public life.

Why not give it a try?

There's a very easy way to stop receiving such messages on social media and that's to adjust your privacy settings so that people can't send them to you. I've been on Twitter for over a decade and even my elderly brain was easily able to work that out when I first set up my account. Ditto for who can comment on your posts. It really isn't rocket science.

Butterfly has been online longer than all of us. Apparently.

Has it ever crossed your mind that trans people who are regular, rational people, open for two way conversations and even- gasp! having some things in common with the other posters here-might just be actually likeable and it’s you and your ridiculous, hyperbolic genocide claiming self obsessed rubbish most folk find distasteful?*

But sure, attack all other trans people who don’t immediately weep that they’re being eradicated/dissapeared/insert other weird fantasy here because the law ALREADY IN PLACE has been clarified, I’m sure they’re delighted to have you as one of their Elders 🙄

*it’s a rhetorical question.

Since the early 90s. It was a trans paradise then. Apparently.

You've been in your career for decades. You've escaped the lean graduate years, clawed your way into earning some measure of respect in the workplace and though you still earn less than your male colleagues, you are at least accepted for who you are. You've built a social life both with out of work friends and colleagues, many of whom you have known for years by this point. They're a nice bunch - bit of a latent transphobia problem, but it never gets directed at you thankfully. The events of your childhood are a distant memory that rarely feels relevant. You made it. You're free. All that nightmarish awfulness is over, and you can put it all behind you.

You come into work one day and are told that from now on you must only use the male facilities.

You've never used them. Why would you? That would be ridiculous and nonsensical. Your colleagues would ask if you're having a laugh.

Wait, you...aren't? Seriously?

Wait, does that mean...you're one of them?

The temperature at work changes overnight. Your social life detonates. Everyone seems guarded around you. Tensions are suddenly running high. Nobody jokes anymore. Everyone is always whispering whenever you are just out of earshot. There is an unspoken 'but...' at the end of so many sentences. Everyone is waiting for you to say something. You have no choice - you have to eventually. It isn't how you'd have wanted to do this, but you might as well try and regain the initiative. You talk about your experiences; about what it's been like all these years.

You notice the little comments. The microagressions, now everpresently needling. You don't get invited to socials anymore - not in any glaring way, but over time it's starkly obvious.

You try and talk to people. It gets weird. You ask why you never get invited to socials anymore.

"Oh no, nobody has a problem. We just don't feel like it anymore."

"Oh I don't have a problem with any of that but it's just...you know. Different. Sorry."

One day, you're on a call-out. Some drunk dickhead tries to grope you. Your team would normally have your back, but nobody moves to stop him.

You try to bring it up later. Nobody wants to talk about it.

You start getting passed over for promotions. Eh it's fine, you have a job at least.

Of course you're the person picked for redundancy.

You apply for new position after new position.

You mysteriously never seem to get hired, despite being perfectly qualified and with plenty of experience. Weird - you were straight in the door for your last job a decade ago.

But that was before your life was detonated by an arbitrary court ruling funded by a multi-millionaire and an army of lawyers.

Is this a movie pitch?

JKR did not fund the Supreme Court.

Absolute piffle.

I thought the bit where all the colleagues couldn’t tell what sex the hero was needed work

I literally had a rational conversation about the SC ruling with a trans person over the weekend, who said the shite people were coming out with was winding him up and he felt the outcome of the ruling would be that it would ultimately make life easier for him.

But there you go. I'm off torturing and scaring trans people with my 'hate'.

Also, what’s a ‘call out’, why are drunk people there groping people and why don’t HR deal with it? This script seems to have some holes…

I'm so glad to hear that you reconciled with her!

Is that like a gangsters paradise?

Huh what? No not my brother (who we did talk about).

Don't presume.

Strangely I know, shock, multiple trans people in real life.

The horror.

Male spaces will be mixed-gender, BH. You will have men and women in there.
Just as there will be female men and women in the female spaces.

You may not know they're women, because it's their true innate gender and not outwardly obvious through bio sex and presentation. But they are still women whether you know it or not.

You try and talk to people. It gets weird.

Yeah, really? You find this? Baffling.

Is this a failed film pitch? What a load of cobblers. Add a plot twist. The secret villain is a 5'2" woman with size 8 feet, motivated by rage that nobody believes she exists, much like this pile of arse.

What about an alternative scenario where you use the men's like you should have been doing, no one cares, and the world moves on.

I guess it doesn't feed into the most oppressed ever narrative.

That's a shame - I got my hopes up that you'd found a way forward together.

How do you think the other trans people in your life feel about your gender critical views? Do they know you are a Mumsnetter? Do you think it would change their opinion of you if they knew?

Do you think they actually agree with you, or just fawn and pretend to agree with you because it's safer?

The 90’s you say, I thought they’d been around since the dawn of time, fighting the good fight and all that bollocks, I’m pretty sure Adam and Eve were trans. Apparently.

Yes he's aware.

Fully aware.

HTH.

Are you really this devoid of empathy or is it just performative ingroup signalling?