Am I naive in thinking that in a couple of years, if not sooner, this will all be behind us? A few court cases, people clear about the law, women's rights protected again??

[loveyouradvice]

And yes the noisy TRA far fewer in number and sidelined as the sad fringe that are left as others move on.....

Or do others think it will pan out differently??

If you like guys, you're homosexual.

It's not a dirty word.

Exactly.

Oooh we're doing the TIM thing as well?

Fucking hell mate, I thought I might have been a little harsh the other day. Nah. This is just obnoxious now.

I know, it's such a giveaway

It's another one for the thread about the twisting of language isn't it? Let's erase sex from everything. Even if it's referenced in law.

I'm not your mate, and I have told you a billion times that you're not a woman. So I don't know where this fresh information is coming from!

At least one of us is consistent

And a protected characteristic to boot, it must drive him crazy.

From the Equality Act

12 Sexual orientation
(1)Sexual orientation means a person's sexual orientation towards—
(a)persons of the same sex,
(b)persons of the opposite sex, or
(c)persons of either sex.

(2)In relation to the protected characteristic of sexual orientation—
(a)a reference to a person who has a particular protected characteristic is a reference to a person who is of a particular sexual orientation;
(b)a reference to persons who share a protected characteristic is a reference to persons who are of the same sexual orientation.

Your reminder about the SC ruling. If sex doesn't mean biological sex, then lesbians cease to have the protection of the equality act. So do gay men.

Sex sex sex sex sex.

Let's talk about sex baby...

Mumsnet being the remaining holdout of LGB people who earnestly and unironically still use 'homosexual' to describe themselves and others in 2025 is kind of beautiful, actually.

Thanks all

So, is Hatched now telling us to ignore what homosexual people have been saying about what words to use?

Well now.... isn't that surprising!

WOMEN, SHUT THE FUCK UP! and DON'T LISTEN TO HOMOSEXUAL PEOPLE!

OH... Now people who tell us that they prefer to be called homosexual people are out of date apparently. Nice.

And, apparently, was one of the major influencing factors in the Supreme Court decision.

They weren't about to rip up 60 years of the acceptance of homosexuality, for a handful of homophobic men.

Datun I got mated yesterday.

The little passive aggressive mate.

Feel proud.

I thought you’d been doing the TIM thing since you were a child so no need to act shocked about it.

Crikey, even I wasn't prepared for the open denigration of homosexuality.

Even though I know homophobia is a driving force, I wasn't prepared for the unapologetic transparency.

So much love, tolerance and acceptance isn't there.

Yep.

Butters is the law and authority on everything.

Am I in a Monty Python movie here?

Brian, Brian is it yooooooou?

How can you complain about the use of homosexual and then use "in the year of our lord"

Either the irony meter is broken or you have very little awareness of how you come across.

And FYI there is only one definition of homosexual, no matter how some trans people want to twist it.

What after yesterday and the Neo Nazis?

Really?

Call me the eternal optimist !

You will probably not get an answer to the what is womanhood question.

But here is some from the past.

“a constellation of statistically linked elements that together describe something almost intangible and linguistically elusive”

and

"I'm an adult human, and I recognise within myself a constellation of data points that I identify as female”.

The tone, the constant use of 'mate' and the inability to see anything other than their own perspective really does remind me of the most obnoxious of male traits. Yes, obnoxious. You used it first, so thanks for that, Hatched. The constant hyperbole and use of overly emotive language to describe one's struggles also grates on me. I have had struggles all my life, and continue to do so. I'm Autistic. I tend to try and manage those struggles myself though. I don't put them on other people. I'm also disabled. I don't put that on other people either as it's largely down to me to manage that too. I could, because those are protected characteristics, but this whole thread had ended up being about one person who just shouts the loudest, and all because the SC ruled that what went before was against the safeguarding of women and children.

Typo

Total deflection from your own actions

Sex characteristics

Sorry. You don't have female sex characteristics.

Also that precludes a lot of your compatriots

The hypocrisy and lack of responsibility for own actions are strong in this one.

Women aren't allowed to protest. Haven't you got the message yet?

Men must be allowed to mark their territory and piss where they feel. Women can't complain. If they do they have it noted and used against them at a later date to justify men marking their territory.

Cos obviously women 'started it'.

The response to being told no, is merely to say well women are wrong and shouldnt be allowed anything cos it's nooootttt faiiiiiiiirrrrrr.

Toddler level logic.