Am I naive in thinking that in a couple of years, if not sooner, this will all be behind us? A few court cases, people clear about the law, women's rights protected again??

[loveyouradvice]

And yes the noisy TRA far fewer in number and sidelined as the sad fringe that are left as others move on.....

Or do others think it will pan out differently??

Point taken :)

It wasn't that long back when the whole of Glastonbury was singing Oh Jeremy Corbyn to the tune of seven nation army, with similar at festivals and events up and down the country. Do you think this means that we're heading for a far left government with a landslide majority as soon as enough old Conservatives die? Or do you think that just sometimes people, especially younger ones, get a bit caught up in a thing and then later forget all about it and move onto a new thing?

That amused me far more than it probably should have done!
Funny how all the women posters knew exactly what size 8 meant.

I actually think that Seethlaw, like many female people, can see right into the heart of that ridiculous patronising that has been plonked onto this thread by a couple of male posters.

And a women's shoe size.

My feet are size 4. They used to a size 3. Then I got pregnant.

I love how size 8 is viewed as remotely normal for a 5'2" woman 😂

Surely a man who claims to be a woman would wear 'women's' clothes? Have I been taken in by very dry satire?

So why do threads have to get enshitted like this? See it time after time in this folder. I'm sure many readers just get fed up with it. But perhaps that's the idea.

No. I identify as a shark.

She told you she was 5'2". Who did you think was speaking, a miniature Yeti? God, no wonder you're terrified of women if you think that's a standard female proportion.

It would be a bit surprising Red 😂

but we’re all laydees here, right, with loads of common experience…

You would certainly have a strong grip on the world if you had size 8 feet as a 5' 2" woman.

A 5'2" woman would look like a clown with size 8 feet.

Very, very few women have size 8 feet.

Understanding this stuff is a whole aspect of female socialisation that I'd never considered!

Now I am REALLY laughing😂

But women don’t mention their shoe size like that. If a woman says they’re a Size 8, they mean clothes!! And a 5ft 2 woman is extremely unlikely to have Size 8 feet!

I admit to feeling secondhand embarrassment on your behalf there.

Is this you Red?

I was wondering that. It's possible we've been had. Hard to say; there are so many people who are serious when they say this that they've become impossible to satirise.

Oooh nice, I'm sending that one to a fiery short friend who has size 8 feet and a lifelong exasperation toward body policing just so she can see where we're up to on MN nowadays.

Good word that - 'enshitted'. I haven't heard it for a long time but it is highly relevant.

Being pro women's rights is not and never has been 'anti-trans' no matter how many times males suggest it is to get their own way.

Trying to ostracise or shame women by suggesting they are 'terrifying' for pointing out the actual law and actual material reality that men can never become women is just low.

Especially when that woman is teeny tiny petite with size 8 shoes. Allegedly.

@ButterflyHatched as I see it none of us, literally no one is "trying to make life unbearable for trans people" - what I am seeing is people hoping that this stuff will stop asap so that fewer lives, fewer bodies are damaged. Hoping that you'll wake up to the lies that you've believed, the delusions you/other people that call themselves trans isnt in anyway "trying to make your life unbearable"

Yeah, I think you won that round butters

<pats on back and nods sagely >

eta quoted wrong post! That’ll teach me to try to be a smart arse

Butters, are you confusing women with Hobbits?

No breathe.

If you mention anything about how female people think, you get told you are self-identifying as having expertise in how female people think... From a male person who keeps telling us that they are a 'woman' and think and act like a 'woman'. You really couldn't make this up.

Body policing? 😀 Presuming your friend is a biological female, she’s unusual to have size 8 feet at that height. Moreover, if I went shopping with her and we were looking around a department store and she asked me what size I was, I very much doubt she’d be asking my shoe size! A woman saying they’re 5ft 5 and a Size 10, or 5ft 2 and a Size 8 is referring to their height and clothing size!