New Pride window in Belfast City Hall

[TheWitchWon]

https://x.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1925882503417454717?t=LdPsR5-OaXqN7CJw6pFKlA&s=19

The slogan on the window

"Save Sodomy from Ulster"
It celebrates inclusivity apparently and is the Lord Mayor's proudest moment as the city's Mayor.

I'm pushing back against the abuse a window celebrating gay rights is receiving on FWR.

To tie yourself in knots trying to make out that is an anti-woman thing to do is bizarre.

Women will no longer be silenced. We have a voice. We will be heard!
Women will no longer be silenced. We have a voice. We will be heard!
Women will no longer be silenced. We have a voice. We will be heard!

That all I have to say….for the moment.

I’m not a Christian though, and I’m not an American and contrary to your belief, I’m not right wing, so this is utter nonsense. But thanks for posting.

I’m not saying the window is anti women, I’m saying that you are.

Well whether you are any of those things or not, you are participating in a textbook manoeuvre to undermine gay people, which we are seeing more and more on FWR.

We don’t use textbooks, that would identify us all too easily, we use a secret sign language only available to women who have submitted to a chromosome test in order to prove their womanhood. We’re very organised you know, we take our work on here VERY seriously.

I want to know some more of these textbook manoeuvres to undermine gay people. Do they include saying "the current season of Doctor Who is a bit crap"?

Twitter is a cess pit since Musk took over. It isn't a barometer of public opinion.

They do, that’s in Chapter 1.

Did I say it was? The poster asked me where the comments were and I replied. Or do you want to also lecture us on exactly which SM platforms we can use, in order to be included on the purity list? 🤦‍♀️

Christ, now I remember why I rarely stray on to this part of mumsnet. Have a lovely weekend.

Scold and leave. ‘‘Twas ever thus, you’re hilariously predictable 😂

You might want to take a look at what the good rate paying people of Belfast are saying, and it’s not a ringing endorsement

Is what you said.

Toobigformyboots asked where you were seeing this, you replied that it was all over X. So you were indicating that X is a barometer of public opinion.

Now I really am off. Tatty bye.

For the hard of understanding, at no point did I say that X was a barometer of public opinion, you made that inference all by yourself. It obviously suits your narrative, not mine.

You’re not really leaving are you? Surely there’s time for just one more scold? Go on, you know you want to 😂

I think it's very ugly. And a total waste of money at a time when people are turning away from this sort of virtue signalling. It's wild how out of touch some councils are - we don't want thousands, sometimes millions, of taxpayers money spent in deference to wokeness, and to an ideology that most of us don't subscribe to - i.e. 'gender identity'.

'A textbook manoeuvre', eh? to undermine myself?
You've gone so far over the edge of reason that you're sounding like some clichéd conspiracy theorist, suggestionsplease1.

You could at least come up with an original conspiracy, the old 'aligned with/supported by/in the pay of the American Christian Far Right' is wearing very thin🙄

I agree with you that it's ugly, but I disagree with you that it's to do with 'wokeness' and 'gender identity'.

One of the positive things I said about the design of the window in my very first post on the subject was that I appreciated that it actually highlighted lesbians and gays, because it was lesbians and gays who campaigned for rights for same-sex attracted men and women.

That was back in the days when people were actually discriminated against - and suffered violence because of - their sexual orientation. 'Gender identity' as a thing hadn't been invented back then. I don't think 'woke' was a thing back then either.

So the window celebrates - garishly, I agree - the struggle of women and men who had to fight against actual discrimination, and just wanted the same rights as anyone else. They weren't fighting for any special treatment or extra rights, just the same as everyone else, and thankfully, in these parts of the world, we mostly have them. That's worth celebrating.

Obviously there are many parts of the world where being lesbian or gay is dangerous to the point of death, so we bear that in mind as we mark what we have achieved here.

It's not gender identity, and it's not wokeness, so I think you're misreading the historical context of the window.

That is fucking awful. What a hideous eyesore.

In which case, why feature Pride who banned the organisation which fights against homophobia from attending their events?

Whether you recognise it or not of course these tactics are in play.

Similar to how the NOM (National Organisation of Marriage) developed a divide and conquer strategy against gay marriage by seeking to exploit ethnic divisions. And were stupid enough to detail this in their internal documents :

www.yahoo.com/news/pro-marriage-groups-leaked-docs-reveal-divide-conquer-125949075.html

I mean some people jump naturally from phobia to phobia, no help needed, but for others a bit of organisation and push helps things along.

Does that include a phobia of the LGB Alliance?

Oh no, it seems @suggestionsplease1 is on to us, we’re going to have to head deeper underground and change our ‘divide and conquer’ tactics. I’ll message JKR for more funds. Remember co conspirators, careless talk costs lives 🤐

My lips are sealed 🤐

Is that a Belfast organisation?

It will lead to a rise in homophobia because many people find the idea of sodomy revolting, even within a consensual relationship.

Gay rights were brought about by convincing people that gay relationships were harmless and normal and to do that, some of the disgust eliciting aspects of male homosexuality were left private, as consensual sexual practices should be. Your own business what you do in the bedroom, but don’t shove it in anyone’s face.

It is not homophobia to be disgusted by sodomy. People will find it a grim idea when practiced within heterosexual relationships. And many people simply don’t want sexual practices of any sort shoved in their face.

Paisley used that word deliberately to remind people of the things the rational gay community were leaving in the bedroom while asking for rights. Hence pushing that word to the forefront will elicit disgust, whichever side uses it.

I will repeat again, it is not homophobic to find weird and unhealthy sexual practices grim. Trying to normalize them will lead to backlash. Associating them with being gay will bring backlash against gays.