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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

New Pride window in Belfast City Hall

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TheWitchWon · 23/05/2025 17:23

https://x.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1925882503417454717?t=LdPsR5-OaXqN7CJw6pFKlA&s=19

The slogan on the window

"Save Sodomy from Ulster"
It celebrates inclusivity apparently and is the Lord Mayor's proudest moment as the city's Mayor.

https://x.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1925882503417454717?s=19&t=LdPsR5-OaXqN7CJw6pFKlA

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PandoraSocks · 23/05/2025 17:33

The "Save Sodomy from Ulster" is a play on Ian Paisley's slogan against the decriminalisation of homosexuality " Save Ulster from Sodomy",

The old homophobe will be spinning in his grave. Good.

Meant to add this link, which has the photo that is depicted in the window:

tomasoflatharta.com/2020/04/04/covid-19-has-taken-tarlach-mac-niallais-from-us-in-new-york-a-courageous-fighter-from-north-belfast-who-saved-sodomy-from-ulster/

YouJane · 23/05/2025 17:49

Good God. That's hideous and completely inappropriate. Par for the course with this movement, I suppose.

Myalternate · 23/05/2025 18:28

If it’s on a Grade ‘A’ Listed building, how did he get permission to make such a material alteration?

TheWitchWon · 23/05/2025 18:29

PandoraSocks · 23/05/2025 17:33

The "Save Sodomy from Ulster" is a play on Ian Paisley's slogan against the decriminalisation of homosexuality " Save Ulster from Sodomy",

The old homophobe will be spinning in his grave. Good.

Meant to add this link, which has the photo that is depicted in the window:

tomasoflatharta.com/2020/04/04/covid-19-has-taken-tarlach-mac-niallais-from-us-in-new-york-a-courageous-fighter-from-north-belfast-who-saved-sodomy-from-ulster/

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I know the history of the slogan.
It was designed to be offensive at the time to pack a punch.

LGB rights were won precisely because they are just the same as everyone else.
The overwhelming majority of people understood that and rejected homophobia.
What anyone does in their bedroom between 2 consenting adults is their own business.
Not anyone else's.

The need to put slogans such as that on Belfast City Hall isn't progress.
It isn't inclusive.
It's Paisley in another guise.

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MistyGreenAndBlue · 23/05/2025 18:30

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SionnachRuadh · 23/05/2025 18:37

Good grief. Is there nobody in Belfast's LGBTQ+>! community who knows anything about visual art?

TooBigForMyBoots · 23/05/2025 18:40

I love it.😍😆

PandoraSocks · 23/05/2025 18:41

TheWitchWon · 23/05/2025 18:29

I know the history of the slogan.
It was designed to be offensive at the time to pack a punch.

LGB rights were won precisely because they are just the same as everyone else.
The overwhelming majority of people understood that and rejected homophobia.
What anyone does in their bedroom between 2 consenting adults is their own business.
Not anyone else's.

The need to put slogans such as that on Belfast City Hall isn't progress.
It isn't inclusive.
It's Paisley in another guise.

The overwhelming majority of people understood that and rejected homophobia

No they bloody well didn't. People were targeted for being gay at the time of that slogan and for a long time after.

It's Paisley in another guise

How ridiculous.

I will leave you to your outrage as I think it is pointless trying to reason with you.

TheWitchWon · 23/05/2025 19:03

PandoraSocks · 23/05/2025 18:41

The overwhelming majority of people understood that and rejected homophobia

No they bloody well didn't. People were targeted for being gay at the time of that slogan and for a long time after.

It's Paisley in another guise

How ridiculous.

I will leave you to your outrage as I think it is pointless trying to reason with you.

The thing is I am not outraged.
Just sad.
Because this will lead to a rise in homophobia.
And yes, it is Paisley in another guise but you just can't see it.

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teawamutu · 23/05/2025 19:06

Quite amusing play on words, but a fecking eyesore anywhere, let alone a listed building.

If that's the mayor's proudest achievement he needs to up his game.

TooBigForMyBoots · 23/05/2025 19:07

I know the history of the slogan.
It was designed to be offensive at the time to pack a punch.

It wasn't designed to be offensive. It was common parlance in some churches most Sundays.🤯 The Save Ulster from Sodomy campaign just took it out of those churches and onto the streets.

How is it Paisley in another guise?

LizzieSiddal · 23/05/2025 19:08

Spending 25k on a stained glass window, depicting anything, is a dreadful thing to do when councils are struggling to provide very basic services for the most vulnerable.

MatildaMovesMountains · 23/05/2025 19:10

I love it! makes mental note to go and see it next time I'm in Belfast

MatildaMovesMountains · 23/05/2025 19:11

TheWitchWon · 23/05/2025 19:03

The thing is I am not outraged.
Just sad.
Because this will lead to a rise in homophobia.
And yes, it is Paisley in another guise but you just can't see it.

You're clearly not averse to a wee bit of homophobia yourself, there?

PandoraSocks · 23/05/2025 19:12

TheWitchWon · 23/05/2025 19:03

The thing is I am not outraged.
Just sad.
Because this will lead to a rise in homophobia.
And yes, it is Paisley in another guise but you just can't see it.

Because this will lead to a rise in homophobia

Why will it? Homophobes will hate the window but it is not going to make people who aren't homophobic become homophobic.

And yes, it is Paisley in another guise but you just can't see it.

Genuinely, can you elaborate? Is the the window advocating repressing people?

SionnachRuadh · 23/05/2025 19:17

If this is the proudest achievement of an Alliance mayor, I suppose the next SF mayor will unveil a stained glass window showing members of Kneecap in heroic poses.

PandoraSocks · 23/05/2025 19:18

@TheWitchWon why did you start the thread? You didn't say in your OP that you were worried about a rise in homophobia.

TheWitchWon · 23/05/2025 19:19

MatildaMovesMountains · 23/05/2025 19:11

You're clearly not averse to a wee bit of homophobia yourself, there?

I'm a lesbian.

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MatildaMovesMountains · 23/05/2025 19:23

TheWitchWon · 23/05/2025 19:19

I'm a lesbian.

Doesn't make you immune to homophobia I'm afraid.

Pleasesaynothing · 23/05/2025 19:23

It's Fab can it be seen from Ashers bakery ?

zenas · 23/05/2025 19:24

How long will it last before......

MatildaMovesMountains · 23/05/2025 19:25

zenas · 23/05/2025 19:24

How long will it last before......

Before OP smashes it? 😅

MatildaMovesMountains · 23/05/2025 19:26

OP, what are you trying to achieve? They're not going to remove the window?

YesYesAllGood · 23/05/2025 19:32

LizzieSiddal · 23/05/2025 19:08

Spending 25k on a stained glass window, depicting anything, is a dreadful thing to do when councils are struggling to provide very basic services for the most vulnerable.

100% this. I mourn that this is what the liberal left has become. Who cares about kids living in poverty, struggling libraries, healthcare and schools when there’s many thousands of pounds to spend on a virtue-signalling window.

And we’ll all be branded homophobic if we object.

TooBigForMyBoots · 23/05/2025 19:33

MatildaMovesMountains · 23/05/2025 19:10

I love it! makes mental note to go and see it next time I'm in Belfast

I'm going to take my DC to see it. Been meaning to take DS2 into the City Hall for a while now.Grin