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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Today it's Amnesty Internation on Woman's Hour to discuss the Supreme Court judgment

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nauticant · 16/05/2025 10:21

With Anita Rani. I am not expecting much in the way of challenges.

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nauticant · 16/05/2025 10:22

Straight away, it's about fearful trans people facing discrimination.

The judgment is apparently "about 30 pages".

This is going to be bad.

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Jigsawlady1 · 16/05/2025 10:23

Just switching on. Is his a man or woman or trans man from AI?

nauticant · 16/05/2025 10:23

Anita Rani wants to know about the sad stories from trans people.

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MagpiePi · 16/05/2025 10:24

Ha!
RMW got name checked, ‘…on Wednesday it was the turn of Sex Matters…’. Can they not bear to even mention Helen’ name?!

nauticant · 16/05/2025 10:24

It sounds like the lives of trans people are now going to be very hard.

The main take away of the judgment is to protect trans people.

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WinterTrees · 16/05/2025 10:25

Ah - you beat me to it nauticant! Ignore my other thread, all.

Sasha's voice instantly declaring Sasha's angle on this.

nauticant · 16/05/2025 10:25

The Supreme Court should have heard from trans people. But at least the judgment talked about protecting trans people.

Hahahaha. Stonewall were invited onto WH and turned down the opportunity.

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MagpiePi · 16/05/2025 10:25

‘We think everyone deserves privacy…’ apart from women, obviously

WinterTrees · 16/05/2025 10:25

Stonewall declined to take part in today's programme. I wonder why?!

nauticant · 16/05/2025 10:26

WinterTrees · 16/05/2025 10:25

Ah - you beat me to it nauticant! Ignore my other thread, all.

Sasha's voice instantly declaring Sasha's angle on this.

Sorry about that, I thought there should be a thread up to catch the beginning of the segment.

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TracyCruz · 16/05/2025 10:26

All about the men. Again.

Jigsawlady1 · 16/05/2025 10:26

Nice to know that 'other women' are at least considered alongside trans women when discussing domestic violence 🤔

Surely the most important thing about this law clarifying womens rights is about how it applies to women not how it applies to trans identified men

SabrinaThwaite · 16/05/2025 10:26

Jigsawlady1 · 16/05/2025 10:23

Just switching on. Is his a man or woman or trans man from AI?

Sacha Deshmukh - CEO of Amnesty. A man AFAIK.

He doesn’t seem to understand the SC process at all.

Headstarttohappiness · 16/05/2025 10:27

Call the programme!

WinterTrees · 16/05/2025 10:28

Rani gritting her teeth - 'some people would say women's rights are human rights'

thenoisiesttermagant · 16/05/2025 10:28

WHAT ABOUT RESPECT IN THE OTHER DIRECTION!! IT'S ALL ONE WAY!! AARGH. Listening to this is not good for my blood pressure.

nauticant · 16/05/2025 10:29

Amnesty: The important thing is to protect "everyone's human rights".

The suggestion is that focusing on women's rights is wrong.

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SabrinaThwaite · 16/05/2025 10:29

It’s all about the rights of the 1%. Let’s just ignore the 51% of population that are impacted.

WinterTrees · 16/05/2025 10:30

'The law is clear' he says, 'trans people cannot be discriminated against.'

Mate, the law is clear that women's single sex spaces do not admit men.

CarefulN0w · 16/05/2025 10:30

Stonewall. Wasn’t us guv. We’re just the nice kind people with all the rainbows. No… we didn’t tell you to do that, you must have misunderstood. You see it was only guidance.

nauticant · 16/05/2025 10:31

Amnesty is another one to say that we mustn't act in response to the judgment. Implying that the EHRC guidance shouldn't be followed.

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SabrinaThwaite · 16/05/2025 10:31

Anita actually pushing him on this - has she finally ditched #be kind?

WinterTrees · 16/05/2025 10:31

Tbf, Rani is pushing back a bit and asking for clarification. 'Are you saying organisations shouldn't abide by the guidance?'

nauticant · 16/05/2025 10:32

Anita Rani is being about 100x better than I was expecting. It was a very low bar, mind you.

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SabrinaThwaite · 16/05/2025 10:32

He keeps saying the judgment is 30 pages long - he hasn’t read it, has he?