Today it's Amnesty Internation on Woman's Hour to discuss the Supreme Court judgment

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With Anita Rani. I am not expecting much in the way of challenges.

I’ve actually sent a positive comment to the BBC saying thanks for giving me a good laugh this morning, and, get more men like this on, they are making their point of view look more ridiculous every time they speak.

…he’d never heard of the Karen Danson case, as if!…😂😂😂

Would he describe himself as a Cis man?

I came on to express my rage. I knew you wouldn’t let me down.

I’m so angry that woman’s hour has been dominated by men’s voices.

Could they please have a queer hour, or a transhour, so that we can have woman’s hour back please?

The Amnesty bloke couldn’t discuss the Darlington nurses case because it would have raised the issue of the allegation that the transwoman was demanding the nurses change in front of them. If only there was some sort if law to give women a safe private space to change…🤔

You’ve got to admire their belief (delusion?) that the final EHRC guidance is actually going to say ‘men can use women’s single sex spaces and services to save their feelings being hurt/validate their identity/give them a chance to abuse/let them act out their sexual fantasies’.

So that we can have woman's hour back? Don't be silly. If they institute a 'queer'/trans hour I will expect the guests to be predominantly non-trans, straight women and that they will be invited to give their opinion on, say, the latest gender ideology bestseller that they haven't read.

Parity and all that.

Blah blah, made trans people cry,blah, blah. Fuck you, snot fair so we will do what we like do there?

at least that’s what he thinks he read?

I've been wondering this too. What concessions do they think are going to be made?

I keep hearing arguments about how it's preposterous to make someone who transitioned decades ago to use male spaces. But how could they make an exception for that? If someone has transitioned for a specific length of time then they can use opposite sex facilities? Or if someone 'passes' enough then they can use them? How would you even be the arbiter of that, given how subjective it is?

They had to draw a line some where, and they've drawn it along biology. I've also wondered if those who transitioned a long time ago will eventually turn on the proponents on self ID, because it was the push for self ID that caused this to end up in the Supreme Court.

They have plenty of rights. The issue here is their rights under the Equality Act and how these interact with women's rights. Trans activists kept insisting there was no conflict - now they have changed their tunes now that the matter has been sorted in favour of women.

Yes, and if trans rights activists were campaigning simply for tolerance and respect and reasonable adjustments such as third spaces for trans identifying people I am quite certain 99% of TERFs would be right there with them. But what they have actually campaigned for is to make spaces previously reserved for women, for very good reasons, effectively mixed sex; to remove the social norms that inhibit predatory men from entering those spaces/ encourage women and good men alike to challenge men entering those spaces; to erase the category of ‘women’ as a class defined by biological sex as opposed to ‘gender’ from legislation; and to vilify any woman who objects to the above. That is why we are angry.

Before finding this thread, I just went to look for the judgment because I was pretty sure it was much longer than 30 pages. I found the original judgment first, from the Scottish court in 2023, which is 30 pages.

2023CSIH37.pdf

I think he must have read the wrong judgment, which would explain his confusion. (Or possibly didn't read either of them, but found the 30 page judgment first, as I did, and assumed that was the right one.)

Waffle waffle waffle waffle everyone has human rights. Waffle waffle waffle waffle everyone has human rights. Waffle waffle waffle waffle everyone has human rights.
And he only appeared to have only read 30 pages, just over a third of the judgement!

But as an Intervenor would amnesty international not have been sent the judgement?

If that's what he did then he's totally incompetent. No matter what anyone thinks of the twaddle he was coming out with, he's on the radio FFS representing his employer so you'd think he would be on top of everything to stop him and them looking like idiots🙄

I think some transsexuals of long-standing have already expressed their dismay and exasperation at the excesses of the more recent movement, haven’t they? I feel for them. In the past I think women generally were very accommodating and compassionate toward the genuinely tiny minority of male people who knew perfectly well what they were at the biological level but tried their very best to pass and not ti make anyone uncomfortable. Very different from the aggressive cross dressing men of today who scream that lesbians need to love girl dick and take pictures if themselves in women’s bathrooms.

That makes it even more embarrassing for him. On national radio, admitting he hadn't even read the judgment that was sent to him and being completely unprepared for the presenter asking him about a well-publicised case where a man had been in a women's changing room, exposing himself, talking about getting his girlfriend pregnant and asking the women why they hadn't taken their clothes off for him.

Operation let them speak. No wonder they went for "no debate" for so long.

Good grief, I think you may have hit the nail on the head. That didn't even occur to me as a possibility.

UNBELIEVABLY I think we need to learn to give these people even less credit.

And to be fair, they've been warned for years that the new style of trans people with the gender ideology, "female penises", misogyny, and aggression, were going to wreck things for the transsexuals and they might benefit themselves by speaking up.

Amnesty (like Stonewall and Oxfam) lost any moral validity it ever had years ago and is now just a babysitting service for MCKEBNIs (Middle Class Kids Educated Beyond their Natural Intellect).

I personally find it genuinely alarming that Amnesty can be aware of all of the injustices, injuries and assaults done to real women in prisons, sports and rape centres from trans madness and STILL choose to support the men.

Germaine Greer was right. We women really do have no idea of just how much men hate us.

What a bunch of clowns. Once advocated for political prisoners and victims of genocide and state violence and now they push for men to get their knobs out in the ladies' and can't count to 88. How are the mighty fallen.

I like your theory. I was thinking he’d maybe misread an 8 for a 3, but I think your explanation is better.

Piss up and brewery spring to mind.

I agree, trans people do sometimes face discrimination. Fortunately they have recourse to the law under the Equality Act - they cannot be treated discriminated against because of their gender identity. That doesn’t mean they should have access to women’s spaces.

And yes, their voices should be heard

• and in fact they have, loud and clear, for the last ten years. Unfortunately, due to them asking for things that are not theirs to have (access to women’s space, sports etc) we have come to the point where women have been forced to go to the Supreme Court to ensure that our protections under the Equality Act cannot, in fact, be given away to trans-identifying men. If only trans people had used all that time and money to try and get things they could have, like their own spaces.

@myplace ooh yes apologies he’s not a man he’s a moronic cis man! My bad 😉

I don’t believe he’s read any judgement. Very much looking forward to ECHR next week. Arse and plate for Mr cis man methinks!

I'm sure Sacha identifies as competent, and as we all know, that makes him competent in reality. How can we deny his true innate competent soul?

Amnesty are a disgrace. They really are.

They are a men's rights organisation, self-identifying as human rights organisation. And not passing well, at that.

I had a correspondence with them after then gave placards to protestors at Filia, FFS.

They told me that their position is that women's oppression is not based in their biology but in society and then listed their good work for women in contraceptive rights and reproductive rights and male partner violence and sexual violence. So I asked how these issues were not related to women's biology and they could not answer.

Thick as shit they are. Really, really thick.

You honestly think we don’t hear from them?! Do you know the demographic that faces the most discrimination? Women, biological women, not men pretending to be women.