Trans History Week and Germany 1933

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https://www.itv.com/watch/news/trans-history-week-celebrated-in-the-shadow-of-supreme-court-ruling/vw998s8

What is this thing that was alleged to have happened on 6 May 1933 in Germany that ‘Arlo’ here is talking about? A ‘trans clinic’? Were there such things in 1933? Grateful if anyone can shed any light.

The problem is that trans lobbyists have used privilege and old boys networks to influence organisations worldwide into declaring that up is down. But we're reaching the point where that stops working as the intended indoctrination method and instead leads to growing distrust of said organisations and intellectuals in general. The kind of environment in which populism grows.

I’m afraid we’re arguing against a tide of individuals who seem to think that recognising atrocities against a marginalised group 90 years ago somehow infringes on their rights today. Let’s save our breath and support trans people in material ways in our communities and show these bitter people that they are very much (an unfortunately too loudly heard) minority.

The Nazis at the time were in the habit of smashing up psychoanalysts' libraries, Lou Salome being a good example. The usual justification for this was that psychoanalysis was a 'Jewish science', and Salome having been friends with Freud wouldn't have helped her case.

In the case of Hirschfeld's institute, the very extensive fetishism and pornography collections would probably have attracted accusations of outraging public decency.

The followers of Wilhelm Reich also got it in the neck, although Reich himself escaped into exile. Reich isn't quite as fashionable as he used to be though, while Hirschfeld has been rescued from obscurity to become the 'trans doctor', and we gloss over the elements of his work that were just as cranky as Reich's stuff.

I don't really consider an article in favour of sterilising non-conforming children to be a credible source.

From your article:

Today, right-wing attacks against trans people in the United States are intensifying.
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Though the American Academy of Pediatrics and every major medical association approve of gender-affirming health care for trans kids, Republican politicians have banned it in 22 states, with even more moving to prohibit it.

The Hirschfeld Institute had clients who in 1933 feared that the changing political climate might affect their acceptability within the Nazi party - even though the Nazis never abolished the German 'transvestite pass', cross-dressers suspected of being homosexual could be in trouble. The burning of all the patient records was very convenient for them.

Erwin Gohrbandt, the doctor who carried out the pioneering 'sex-change' (as it was called) surgery on Dora Richter was a war criminal who carried out experiments on prisoners in Dachau.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Gohrbandt

The Nazis persecuted and murdered Jews, Gays, Gypsies, Trades Unionists, Communists, Poles - 'transgender people' weren't on the list.

You've misrepresented the first citation and the second one is not credible.

Studies have shown that supportive hormone therapy, accessed at an early age, lowers rates of suicide among trans youth.

False. And irresponsible.

The Nazis couldn't have targeted 'transgender people' as transgenderism wasn't invented until a few decades later.

it's all part of the 'we were always here' re-writing of history, like 'transing' the Stonewall gay bar riots in New York in 1969, or photoshopping trans slogans onto photos of banners at gay rights marches in the 1980s.

Nothing is sacred, nothing is safe; no shame.

Scold, scold, scold 😂 I’m trying to fill in my bingo card, could you just add something about apartheid, the Stonewall riots, and I’m pretty sure someone once said trans people brought down the Berlin Wall and sprung Nelson Mandela out of prison. Thanks.

Chefs kiss

What atrocities?

Even Pink News couldn't come up with more than five names, all of whom were either gay or Jewish or both.

Um... 'Scientific' American is an activist pseudoscience site that is not respected or taken serious by any actual scientist....

Thanks to pp. I’ve followed the links above. It struck me how very involved students were in the book-burning, which for some reason I found surprising.

As for Arlo - it’s a pity the ITV news didn’t push her more on that statement.

Cross-dressing males are not a 'marginalised' group.

And sorry to burst your bitter, misogynistic, transrevisionist bubbl, but poll after poll after poll shows us feminists are in the majority. You bitter misogynists are in an ever decreasing fringe minority.

Here from The Museum of Jewish Heritage which testifies to and holds events addressing the persecution of trans people in Nazi Germany:

mjhnyc.org/events/transgender-experiences-in-weimar-and-nazi-germany/

Gosh, can anyone think why we would not automatically believe anything that comes from a group who continuously and deliberately use language like Humpty Dumpty.

"When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more nor less."

I'm pretty much at a point of 'let them get on with it' on this forum because it will be shocking to most Mumsnetters to see and it's important for readers to see just how transphobic FWR has become.

There you go - the reputable sources we came up with the last time people on this site tried to push the shameful antisemitic and homophobic fantasy of Nazis persecuting 'transgender people'

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1768427557425234010.html

https://www.thedistancemag.com/p/how-transgender-historians-give-magnus

https://malcolmrichardclark.substack.com/p/hirschfeld-the-dodgy-high-priest

Reddit is doing a stellar job of showing just how misogynistic all sorts of groups are. Did you get the idea from there?

Trust me, that's not what normal people (as opposed to people who have temporarily left their Reddit cave for the first time in five years) are thinking when they read FWR.

What are they thinking when they read about the denial of the persecution of trans people in Nazi Germany, which is testified to in museums in Germany and beyond, and recognised by German courts?

Yes. Nail on head.

What are they thinking when they read about the denial of the persecution of trans people in Nazi Germany, which is testified to in museums in Germany and beyond, and recognised by German courts?

I'm going to repeat the excellent question above.

Have they found any trans Holocaust victims who were neither Jewish nor prosecuted for homosexual acts yet?

I'd be genuinely interested to see an example - I'd like there to be some grain of truth in what trans activists are saying for once.

I wonder why you’re still here if you feel like that, is it just to take the occasional opportunity to scold women who acknowledge and understand biological facts?
If you’d been paying attention at all you’d have noticed how many more Mumsnetters are commenting on this subject since the Darlington nurses, the Fife NHS case and the SC ruling. It’s peaked a LOT of people.

It isn’t transphobic to understand facts and how that relates to the law. Stonewall can’t misinterpret the law anymore, those days are gone.

Also “Trans History Week” 🤭

I hope we get Elagabalus this year. It's always fun when they bring up Elagabalus.