“Why aren’t you getting changed”. Man asks female Darlington nurse this 3 times in female changeroom

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More details re the Darlington nurses. I don’t know what to say. This is outrageous. Just fucking outrageous.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14698557/I-begged-bosses-not-let-trans-nurse-invaded-changing-room-intimate-operation-refused-didnt-want-hurt-feelings.html

Wow that sounds lovely, lots of post supporting these brave women. No more men in women's spaces.

Sandie Peggie got literally hundreds of cards - her daughter posted on X showing it all (had to pan the camera to get them all in) and saying how much it meant to her.

What a horrific story. That poor nurse. Also if its the right ceo I've just looked up she's nicely retired and had an obe this year. Who on that board was pushing for this policy to be enforced like this, I'd like to know and then them sacked.

I immediately thought of the Challenors when reading this.

The NHS complicity is horrendous. It's reached the point it needs a through inquiry all of its own.

Exactly. And in a normal world if something like this nurse’s situation happened by some failing or anomaly, there would be mass horror and robust steps would be taken to prevent it ever happening again.

But these NHS managers have lost their minds so badly that they are happy to write policies to make this MORE LIKELY to happen again. And are prepared to threaten to withdraw essential medical treatment from women who don’t offer up their bodies as validation props for these men.

Utterly evil.

I feel absolutely disgusted after reading that article. That poor woman has suffered so much, betrayed by her father and her employer. It beggars belief that she had to take legal action to prevent a person, with whom she is in a legal dispute, from being present in the operating room—arguably, the moment when a patient is most vulnerable. Darlington Trust management should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.

Wes Streeting has had ample time to address this issue, yet it is still happening. NHS managers responsible for these harmful policies, policies that directly impact actual women, must be held accountable.

they threatened to withhold medical care unless she allowed a man who she claims had intimidated her in the changing room to witness a gynaecological procedure on her. Disgusting.

I agree. Investigate the whole structure, the directors, HR, they have all enabled and promoted this to happen. Legal action needs to be taken.

man alive that made me angry.

I get that it doesn't matter if Rose is a wrong 'un, even nice men shouldn't be in women's spaces.

But decent men don't WANT to be in the women's changing rooms. The very fact of a man wanting to do this marks him out as waving all the red flags.

This also has all the hallmarks of a hand full of flying monkeys doing the bidding of a narcissist. Plus, telling women to get back in their box looks a lot easier than telling some very enthusiastic guy in a dress that he needs to respect women's privacy.

The only good thing about this shitshow is the women supporting each other.

For anyone thinking thank god I don't live near Darlington, your own hospital trust would do the same thing. Mine certainly would, I've read a large number of policies as one of @KnottyAuty 's crew and its there in black and white.

How is it possible that the NHS could believe it is possible to change sex? We put our lives in their hands.

Another form of abuse, they should now start to sue NHS directors. I hope it makes them think twice about going 9n a power play over people's lives.

The address for the hospital is: Darlington Memorial Hospital, Hollyhurst Road, Darlington, County Durham, DL3 6HX

Would it be sufficient to put 'Nurse Karen and the rest of the Darlington 8, c/o HR' do we think?

There are really two issues here, and they don't contradict each other.

The first is the obvious problem of a man in the female changing room, who should not be there.

The second is the issue that @TheKhakiQuail raised, and arguably has more sinister outcomes. Two members of staff who are in a legal dispute should never ever be assigned to each other's care. That's nothing to do with trans issues, that's just a normal bloody safeguarding issue!

Links to the threads of receipts started by @KnottyAuty :
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5291237-nhs-policy-audit-working-party
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5322494-nhs-policy-audit-working-party-thread-2

And @woollyhatter has started a useful thread here for the Fixing Things stage:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5326190-the-patience-of-saints-echr-compliant-policy-writing-thread-for-civil-servants-third-sector-and-hr-people?reply=144176359

That poor poor nurse. This can’t have been anything but malicious. Wes must surely intervene now.

Am in awe of Karen, it must have taken so much courage to stand up to the trust, and so much more to go public with what happened to her. I'm livid that she has been abused all over again at the hands of a man.

What happened to her regarding her surgery is appalling. I used to work in theatres and we took the dignity of staff (and all our patients of course) seriously. All female teams for female staff undergoing surgery. Always. No students or anyone else who didn't need to be there, no other staff could pop in for anything. There wasn't a written policy, we didn't need one, it was done because it was the right thing to do. I can't believe her trust didn't afford Karen the same dignity. Or actually, maybe I can.

I once got rid of a male agency ODP on the spot because another member of staff said he was spending a bit too much time 'at the bottom end' one day in a gynae theatre. Yet now we have a man exposing himself to females and watching them undress, but the trust support the perpetrator. NHS-approved abuse. How has it come to this?

Karen's father killed himself. It says so in the article. He was caught with a 15 year old and was going to be put on the sex offenders register. He chucked himself off a cliff. Karen's sympathy lies with the poor woman who found his body, and I absolutely agree with her.

I cried reading that article. For what Karen suffered as a little girl and the absolutely callous treatment she received at the hands of the NHS bosses.

I am so bloody angry, the cruelty they inflict under the pretence of ‘be kind’! They should be publicly shamed.

I agree that two staff members who are involved in a dispute should not be assigned to each other's care full stop.

But what makes this issue even more outrageous is that the legal dispute in question involved staff member A not wanting to be in a state of undress in front of staff member B, and the "care" would involve staff member B getting up close and personal with staff member A's most intimate body parts.

It's a total violation of her privacy and dignity, and she has effectively been denied the healthcare that she needs.

Rose is not completely blameless. Rose could have requested a separate changing area, knowing that his presence was distressing to his female colleagues. A decent man would have done this.

Neither of these two things would have happened if not for 'trans'.

In the case of the legal dispute I don't think they would have thought twice about preventing a colleague in a legal dispute with the patient being in the operating theatre, male or female.

South Park nailed it a few years ago "oh you're trans in that case do whatever you want all of the time"

Stepping carefully away from my strong emotional response to that article and that poor woman,

Isn't it interesting how here's another case in another hospital a long way from the Peggie situation.

It's the same basic problem of a man's right to be present while non consenting women undress.

The man again turns out to be behaving in distinctly questionable ways.

The women are again punished and repressed by the authorities and management involved for in any way attempting to resist or protest this man's behaviour.

The management yet again appear to have taken the man's side entirely without the faintest attempt at 'balancing needs' or showing any respect for their woman employees, never mind an equality of respect and care.

The pattern is a bit hard to miss. Considering how few of these men there are, its remarkable that two cases are in progress with such similarities.

And in this case, they tried to coerce the woman to submit to having her vagina exposed on an operating table in the presence of the man who had been harassing her, and who she was involved in legal procedings with. Under threat of losing her surgery if she did not submit to being so exposed to him. It is almost as if the trust felt entitled to validate this man's self expression by providing women's bodies to him.

Words just fail.

When some idiot is wittering about 'be kind' and how terribly sad these poor men are, this is what they are enabling to happen to women.

What an amazingly brave and incredible woman. My daughter is only early teens but is adamant she wants to be a human rights lawyer specialising in women’s rights. Women like Karen are inspiring young people like my daughter and I thank her for her strength. I hope she gets the resolution she wants and deserves.

I was going to go with "Bastards", but maybe "Wankers" is more apt here.