“Why aren’t you getting changed”. Man asks female Darlington nurse this 3 times in female changeroom

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More details re the Darlington nurses. I don’t know what to say. This is outrageous. Just fucking outrageous.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14698557/I-begged-bosses-not-let-trans-nurse-invaded-changing-room-intimate-operation-refused-didnt-want-hurt-feelings.html

Good for KJK.

It came from the top and probably pre dates the GRA. The NHS has been lobbied for at least 20 years but the TRA ramping up really got going maybe 15 years ago; the thought police really stamping out dissent (conflating sex and gender wholescale) for about 10 years. Everyone has been on diversity training which has embedded the “right think” so I doubt you’d get much sense out of any manager you came across. The NHS is full of all sorts of rules which clash and don’t make sense. Staff have to do the best they can. So I got the impression that Stonewall law was accepted (or maybe just tolerated) as the cultural norm and maybe it was assumed that everyone in other sectors were being told similar. I think it’s becoming very clear that large sections of the population are completely unaware that the NHS Staff have been told to lie to them or make nurses change in front of male colleagues for fear of losing their jobs. On the Sandie Peggie thread we heard of some training modules where staff couldn’t pass mandatory CPD unless they selected the “correct” multiple choice option. Someone aptly labelled it the “gaslight granny” training… Read the section of Tribunal Tweets for Sandie Peggie’s hearing - the manager Esther is clearly terrified to admit that sex is real and relevant to nursing… scary stuff

@BigHeadBertha

Hardly any women affected by these pervs, you say? At least 26 in one workplace alone.

One SINGLE workplace.

Archive of DM for those who don’t want the cookies.

https://archive.ph/qqvfK

I shouldn’t be but I am shocked at the number of temporising comments about waiting for ‘further guidance’. Yet again, where was this due diligence when bringing in all of these policies that so harmed women? Where were the equality impact assessments?

I’m pleased that there are memos and internal documents. On the flip side, what does this tell us about the culture of impunity and immunity in which these epistemic lanyard classes are operating?

I would like an economist to do one those impact assessments. We have economic data on the costs of assisted dying. Can we have economic assessment of the population impact costs for women? It’s known as the net monetary benefit of an intervention.

Are there any other areas where employers decide to just not follow health and safety rules and the law and get away with it? Are there oil rigs where they don't bother with safety gear because some people don't like it? In operating theatres do they not follow hygiene rules because they seem so complicated?

I think not

I’m a clinician turned manager who left the NHS over a different issue, but for what it is worth, the managers actually can’t win either. I left because I was faced with having to implement impossible targets after the Lansley reforms. My choice was to agree (and be performance managed on) unachievable targets dreamed up by external consultants or leave. When I attempted to show, with data, why the targets could not be delivered, I was told off for being negative. I’m certain that there will be managers who have tried to challenge gender ideology and who will have been put back in the box, or who like me, have quietly left. That the NMC, RCN, CQC along with dozens of other organisations are captured, means there is no support for dissenters.

What I do think however, is that a lot of quiet resisters are still in place. If the right guidance and leadership is introduced those resisters will be in a better place to hold the line.

Where is this please?

bloody hell, @KnottyAuty the information is in the very first post. Darlington.

My choice was to agree (and be performance managed on) unachievable targets dreamed up by external consultants or leave. When I attempted to show, with data, why the targets could not be delivered, I was told off for being negative.

The unworkable ideas of wet behind the ears Management Consultants has bedevilled the public sector for a good few decades. Why should an Executive Officer with 20 years experience be listened to, when a 25 year old Management Consultant doesn't agree?

I think @KnottyAuty interpreted the “26 in one workplace alone” as meaning there are 26 TiMs in one NHS workplace. As we’re auditing the NHS trans policies, I’m sure she wanted to know which trust that was so that we could pay closer attention to it.

The pp above was, I think, referring to the women affected by the NHS policies - so, yes, in Darlington. So, a misinterpretation on @KnottyAuty’s part maybe - but maybe an overreaction on yours? We’re all on the same side here.

From @KnottyAuty 's post at 08.16

It came from the top and probably pre dates the GRA. The NHS has been lobbied for at least 20 years but the TRA ramping up really got going maybe 15 years ago; the thought police really stamping out dissent (conflating sex and gender wholescale) for about 10 years. Everyone has been on diversity training which has embedded the “right think”

That's a hell of an effort just to include whatever tiny percentage of the population it was back then, before more people were groomed into transing in the ensuing years.

Can you imagine where we'd be if the likes of Stonewall had turned their attention to, say, disability needs after they'd become redundant on gay issues. No, that would never have done, it had to be a particular kind of diversity.

The 26 in the article refers to the number of women who signed a letter of complaint about sharing changing facilities with a man. I didn't read anything about there being 26 trans people in the Darlington hospital

Although even one man trampling over women's boundaries is too many

This article filled me with sadness and fury. The word is inevitable: it's dystopian. It's state sanctioned, misogynistic abuse and it's systemic, deliberate, and probably strategised. I agree with the poster upthread who suggested that these bullish, captured institutions will push back against the SC ruling with all they are worth. Sadly, the only way to bring them into line will be to suing these organisations for failure to comply with EHRC guidlines. There will likely be a succession of gruelling court cases, which women will win, but in a pyrrhic victory. We're all familiar with the phrase 'the process is the punishment'. And, as of now, poor Karen is still being put through this avalanche of shit and having to confront the same male abuse that has followed her throughout her life. My heart breaks for her.

Who the FUCK asks someone, three times, why they are not getting changed? The question of 'how does that affect you' is unanswerable, but the reason hardly needs explanation. Rose gets off on trying to force female compliance. If it's against their will, so much the better. 'Rose' is a pervert. Exposure, or 'flashing' to give it it's accurate name, is a known precursor to more serious sexual offending. It's a ciminal offence. It's now worse than de-facto legal - it's positively encouraged, and women are the ones who will be punished if they dare to object.

Male sexual predilections are to be protected at all costs and woe betide any women who refuses their consent. Women's place is to fall into line or else be banished to the colonies (cancellation and made unemployable). In 2025 UK.

Under His Eye.

If you mean thats in the DM article I didnt see - was too upset to read it after watching the video. I’ll try again when I’ve calmed down (… maybe next year)

Sinner's post referred to the 26 women directly impacted at Darlington. 26 women complained there and those were rejected by HR.

Only 8 have gone forward to be listed on the tribunal case. And of those only a handful have publicly been named.

But I think there were said to be three TWs in Sandie Peggie's hospital.
I don't know how big a hospital that is, but multiply that by the number of hospitals in the country, and there will be a lot.

KnottyAuty · Today 09:58

Yes, I meant that 26 women have now complained about the one man.

I've not checked back, but from memory it think it was 3 trans people - not necessarily all TW.

Aye, calm down @Brefugee ! She just misinterpreted sth. @KnottyAuty is doing sterling work leading the audit project.

Meanwhile in TRA-la-la land, the nurse is accused of "weaponising her abuse" in order to exclude transwomen. Ah, such empathy. (Mumsnet gets a mention though!)
https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1kkaiyv/how_can_we_react_to_terfs_weaponizing_their_abuse/

This is so gross I don't even have the words.

This movement is so blatantly woman-hating. It's actually disgusting.

It’s just narcissistic rage.

Thank you.

Let's hope the quiet resistors start standing up for women. Let's hope men will no longer be put before women in women's spaces to make them feel better. Predators allowed to smirk at a clearly traumatised woman and ask why she won't get changed in front of him whilst he is stood there in underpants clearly showing he is a male with male genitals in a woman's space.

all good.
the whole thing is infuriating. Also be warned, the article is a very hard read. Don't go there unless you are feeling very robust.