“Why aren’t you getting changed”. Man asks female Darlington nurse this 3 times in female changeroom

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More details re the Darlington nurses. I don’t know what to say. This is outrageous. Just fucking outrageous.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14698557/I-begged-bosses-not-let-trans-nurse-invaded-changing-room-intimate-operation-refused-didnt-want-hurt-feelings.html

Crazy that 26 woman have complained about this male but his wants were allowed (are they still bring allowed?) to trump safety, concerns, the feelings of 26 women. Yet aren't these men supposed to be vulnerable. I call bullshite on his vulnerability.

I would imagine there are way more women than the 26 who signed. Women are afraid to sign things so it takes brave ones to actually do it.

There are no three words more offensive than these. Abuse is the weapon. Men are the ones deploying it - against women. Ergo, women need single sex spaces and services.

If men would be so good as to desist from abusing women in the first place, there wouldn't be any abuse to 'weaponise'.

As for weapons-grade fucking arseholes, take your pick.

He's a brick shithouse, an absolute unit of a dude. It's true that even if he were built like a weed and you could flick him and he'd fall over, he'd still not belong in the women's changing room because he's a man, but if we are talking vulnerability, he's not the example. Dude doesn't even begin to look like a lady. Dude looks like a Land Rover.

Agreed. I'm having to read it in stages.

Yup

theres no point talking to these people, they’re nuts

what’s important is making sure those in power understand that they’re nuts

Precisely.

Exactly! His repeated "why aren't you getting changed" query was his way of reminding her of this fact.

I badly need to re-read Timur Kuran’s preference falsification book (Private Truths, Public Lies).

Can anyone remember if there’s anything in there about quiet resisters and how leadership emerges?

I know he wrote a fairly technical paper on ‘The vulnerability of the Arab State: Reflections on the Ayubi Thesis’.

Writing about the Tunisian Revolution and fall of Zine el-Abedine Ben Ali, Kuran wrote:

A shock that impels a few people to vocalize their grievances and demand reforms may catalyze a bandwagon process that resets the terms of acceptable public discourse and renders the incumbent regime unsustainable. Moreover, a bandwagon that topples one Arab autocracy may encourage covert dissidents in other Arab states to press their own cases, thus fueling a Domino effect that alters the social landscape through much, if not all, of the Arab world.

On a different scale, I don’t know where we are at with a comparable social sense of what is at stake here on so many levels. The anti-democratic actions of the epistemic and lanyard classes. The complete capture of so many organisations.

Can CLAWs prevail without a harmful catalyst? It seems that even support from the Supreme Court, or the current tribunals aren’t enough? Is this a lack of awareness or wider indifference, socialisation, and misogyny?

This.

You cannot reason with this, all you can do is have very clear and firm boundaries and consequences for breaking them.

Fucking hell that is awful. All power to the Darlington Nurses

What I always think when they accuse women of "weaponizing their abuse" (after I've calmed down and stopped throwing things) is that the exact same thing could be said to them about their claims of discrimination and terrible treatment by society. According to their own (deluded) thought process, aren't they also "weaponizing their (supposed) abuse" in order to take away women's rights and spaces and treat us with vile contempt?

The difference, of course, is that women actually are abused on a terrifying scale (by men), while they are pampered and catered to by most of society.

Its one of those learned nonsense phrases like 'microaggressions' and 'dogwhistle' and so on, that just gets trotted out ad nauseum.

It basically means 'stop saying things that risk me not getting what I want'.

It's toddler stuff, it really is. To look at this situation and blame the women for thwarting this man is just beyond ridiculous to anyone with the capacity for a grip.

The reddit thread I linked to 👆links to the DM article about the nurse.
The author of the reddit thread writes: "trigger warning: the article is very transphobic".

It is so, so telling. Not "trigger warning, the article is traumatic/shocking/upsetting to read" etc etc.

No. The one and only concern here is that what the nurse says is "transphobic".

Their accusations are admissions.

Yes, this is the problem. The Internet has allowed for this to snowball in a mass collective need for attention, exaggeration and ever more imagined scenarios.

Back in my day Years ago they would just be sitting in their bedrooms with their parents saying "just ignore him, he's attention seeking again". Now they are sitting in their bedrooms egging each other on online and becoming ever more ridiculous and OTT in their delusions language. Unbelievably, it's fucking worked for them. Who the hell would have thought this back in the 1970's?

It's sickening.

Not trigger warning: child abuse.

It just shows what self-centred dicks they all are.

It's quite shocking that when this brave nurse is disclosing her abuse as a child, they don't - even then - take a nanosecond to think 'hmmm, this woman has suffered terribly maybe claiming she's 'weaponising her abuse' might not look very good'. Even if they're evil enough really not to care about child abuse, you'd think they'd realise such a total failure of empathy would make most normal people dismiss their point of view completely.

Any normal person will just read that and think 'nah, I can't trust anything you say if you can try to use that again her, because doing so is truly evil'.

And in fact, it rather would encourage people to think that their overriding desire to get into women's spaces isn't the innocent desire for validation or safety or whatever they claim that it is. And perhaps women shouldn't have to 'be kind' to people who can't muster up the tiniest bit of kindness towards a victim of child abuse.

You can't reasonably completely dismiss terrible child abuse and refuse to 'be kind' to the person who experienced it, in fact framing her disclosure as some kind of attack, then ask the same person who suffered that terrible child abuse to 'be kind' to you because you want male bodied 'transwomen' in the ladies changing room just because.

It totally undermines the 'most vulnerable' narrative.

One of the TRAs' favourite words is "dehumanise".

But the TRA response to this article is dehumanisation writ large. There is no basic human empathy for this woman who experienced rape as a child. Nothing. Zero. Because they see her as part of a perceived group they hate, so completely dehumanise her as not deserving of empathy or sympathy.

Thing is, I do think there will be trans people reading that thread who maybe do have empathy but who are too afraid to present an opposing view. And they call FWR an echo chamber??!

you'd think they'd realise such a total failure of empathy would make most normal people dismiss their point of view completely

They don't have the brain power to see anything from any other perspective other than their own. They consider themselves to be the normal ones. But special, obvs.

There is a huge amount of narcissism in these people; if they weren't like that in their previous lives the training of the ideology has guided them in that direction. Their brains are rewired so that they follow the faith unquestioningly. If only they had enough of their own brain power left to see how controlled and manipulated they actually are.

This.

It’s collective narcissism

https://psychcentral.com/health/collective-narcissism#recap

"If only they had enough of their own brain power left to see how controlled and manipulated they actually are."

Exactly. It's the same as the rise in Right Wing conspiracy beliefs. It's all just forms of extremism, enabled and fuelled by the Internet. Collective narcissism indeed. They are the special enlightened ones.

The NHS needs suing.

Agreed.

So do other public sector organisations.