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CrocsNotDocs · 2025-05-11T05:47:31+00:00

More details re the Darlington nurses. I don’t know what to say. This is outrageous. Just fucking outrageous. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14698557/I-begged-bosses-not-let-trans-nurse-invaded-changing-room-intimate-operation-refused-didnt-want-hurt-feelings.html

yourhairiswinterfire · 11/05/2025 17:21

BigHeadBertha · 11/05/2025 17:03

More hyped up drama about a transperson in a dressing room/restroom/or anywhere else on the planet. Something few people have probably even ever knowingly experienced and even far fewer having been even mildy inconvenienced by. There aren't that many of them, you know, and most of them just want to be able to get through their lives in some kind of minimal comfort.

Of course, it's highly satisfying for small-minded, nasty people to single out a very small and vulnerable group that has quite enough trials and tribulations as it is (as seen in their very high suicide rate, for example). Yes, do that, amplify any tiny thing they can, shout it from the rooftops, as an excuse to pile on and bully said small, unfortunate, vulnerable group. So smug, so satisfying. So easy. You feel so very superior to them.

It's not a good look, is it.

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Won't somebody think of the poor vulnerable men, being bullied by evil women refusing to get their clothes off in front of them, in a women's changing room said men have no right to be in.

countrysidedeficit · 11/05/2025 17:28

yourhairiswinterfire · 11/05/2025 17:21

Won't somebody think of the poor vulnerable men, being bullied by evil women refusing to get their clothes off in front of them, in a women's changing room said men have no right to be in.

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It's very incel, isn't it.

GreenFriedTomato · 11/05/2025 17:29

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HermioneWeasley · 11/05/2025 17:30

GingerBeverage · 11/05/2025 16:15

I refuse to believe scheduling Rose for Karen’s operation was not fully intentional.

Yes, I’ll bet it was a punishment to put her in her place for complaining

ThatCyanCat · 11/05/2025 17:31

borntobequiet · 11/05/2025 17:19

So you are saying that something unpleasant doesn’t matter because it might only happen to a few women. And some transpeople are nice, and misunderstood.
Also, we are nasty bigots for not wanting that unpleasant thing to happen to anyone and trans people are the most marginalised and oppressed people around, hence suicidal.

None of what you say is logical, sensible or true.

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He knows. Just as he knows the suicide stats are fake, the threat and damage are real and the protections are necessary. He knows it's a safeguarding scandal, he knows the harm is real and wider than we know since so many similar cases won't be heard as the women were successfully intimidated.

He is regurgitating all the debunked and worthless crap partly to wind us up and partly because he's furious that he can no longer crap on women and cheer on their abuse while being lauded as a liberal hero for it. If you ever wondered why the BigHeadBerthas of the world got so invested in this issue, that's why. It's actually a good sign that they feel so unsettled by it all. They should do. Everything they said wouldn't happen is happening so now they can only say it isn't happening enough to matter and doesn't matter any time it does anyway.

He's circling the drain.

Helleofabore · 11/05/2025 17:32

Remember!

It didn’t happen.

And if it did, it was only once.

And if it was more, it is only a few, nothing to see, just exaggeration to attack a special group of male people.

Oh… it happened again… nothing to see here. Protect the dolls!!!

It really reads like an abusers charter. But apparently, it is all about how good it looks…

Danglinglights · 11/05/2025 17:39

Theeyeballsinthesky · 11/05/2025 08:15

Me too!

im impressed really fucking annoyed that Shaun Lintern the Sunday times health correspondent who is usually all over anything and everything NHS related has studiously ignored both this story and that of Sandy Peggie

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They just don’t have the balls to pick it up. Oh wait, they do have balls they are just too afraid. Isn’t it funny how they leave this quietly on the side to brush away?

I cannot believe what I have read. It’s abominable. Another poster said she was reviewing the NHS trust policy and it’s in every single one too.

This is disgusting. Can we do anything? Are we just left to be ignored. There will be more like this. Poor Karen. My heart goes out to her and all other women who are in this ridiculous and tragic situation.

ThatCyanCat · 11/05/2025 17:42

Helleofabore · 11/05/2025 17:32

Remember!

It didn’t happen.

And if it did, it was only once.

And if it was more, it is only a few, nothing to see, just exaggeration to attack a special group of male people.

Oh… it happened again… nothing to see here. Protect the dolls!!!

It really reads like an abusers charter. But apparently, it is all about how good it looks…

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It is exactly what my abusive father would have done. Didn't happen, you're just mad and evil. Well if it did happen it was only once and you're only going on about it because you're mad and evil. Well it doesn't matter how much it happened because you're mad and evil, and what about ME AND HOW I FEEL?

SidewaysOtter · 11/05/2025 17:47

It is just inconceivable. All of it. The man allowed to change with women, the lack of caring that women didn’t want this, the clear motives behind a man wanting to change with women, the man in question being on the surgical team for Karen’s gynaecological surgery.

I’m so sorry that this happened to you Karen. You didn’t deserve it, any of it. You are a brave and amazing woman.

SidewaysOtter · 11/05/2025 17:48

@BigHeadBertha Oh do fuck off with that nonsense. It didn’t wash before and it doesn’t wash now.

Waitwhat23 · 11/05/2025 17:52

MayMadness2025 · 11/05/2025 15:53

Complain about what exactly. This awful scandal should be talked about nit hidden.

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As they always complain when these issues are discussed on AIBU or chat, I can give you an example of what typical responses from TRA's and allies would be -

'I have muted the feminism board as not to see this anti trans stuff. You've got your own space to talk about stuff. Why can Mumsnet not stop this???!!!'

They'll then pop onto the Site Stuff board and will start a thread titled (something like) 'Mumsnet, why can't you stop this??!! ' and the OP will read

'MNHQ, I cannot bring myself to see this anti trans stuff - why can't you stop them starting threads in AIBU???!!!'

It wasn't enough for them to have the FWR boards split. It wasn't enough for them for posts on the Sex and Gender board to be subject to a set of overly restrictive, board specific guidelines. It wasn't enough for Mumsnet to be subject to DDOS attacks and constant screenshot forays from Reddit.

They want to stop women talking. They can't bear that we're allowed to.

RedToothBrush · 11/05/2025 17:52

BigHeadBertha · 11/05/2025 17:03

More hyped up drama about a transperson in a dressing room/restroom/or anywhere else on the planet. Something few people have probably even ever knowingly experienced and even far fewer having been even mildy inconvenienced by. There aren't that many of them, you know, and most of them just want to be able to get through their lives in some kind of minimal comfort.

Of course, it's highly satisfying for small-minded, nasty people to single out a very small and vulnerable group that has quite enough trials and tribulations as it is (as seen in their very high suicide rate, for example). Yes, do that, amplify any tiny thing they can, shout it from the rooftops, as an excuse to pile on and bully said small, unfortunate, vulnerable group. So smug, so satisfying. So easy. You feel so very superior to them.

It's not a good look, is it.

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BigHeadBertha doesn't use the NHS yet sees fit to tell us we are all wrong about the management of our National Health Service.

NEXT.

(spot the tell)

ArabellaScott · 11/05/2025 17:52

BigHeadBertha · 11/05/2025 17:03

More hyped up drama about a transperson in a dressing room/restroom/or anywhere else on the planet. Something few people have probably even ever knowingly experienced and even far fewer having been even mildy inconvenienced by. There aren't that many of them, you know, and most of them just want to be able to get through their lives in some kind of minimal comfort.

Of course, it's highly satisfying for small-minded, nasty people to single out a very small and vulnerable group that has quite enough trials and tribulations as it is (as seen in their very high suicide rate, for example). Yes, do that, amplify any tiny thing they can, shout it from the rooftops, as an excuse to pile on and bully said small, unfortunate, vulnerable group. So smug, so satisfying. So easy. You feel so very superior to them.

It's not a good look, is it.

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Holy, holy, moly.

You'd think nobody would pop up to attack a woman who has recounted a harrowing personal story of trauma and her ordeal at work.

Yet here you are.

Genuinely stunned at you, Bertha.

TheKeatingFive · 11/05/2025 17:54

BigHeadBertha · 11/05/2025 17:03

More hyped up drama about a transperson in a dressing room/restroom/or anywhere else on the planet. Something few people have probably even ever knowingly experienced and even far fewer having been even mildy inconvenienced by. There aren't that many of them, you know, and most of them just want to be able to get through their lives in some kind of minimal comfort.

Of course, it's highly satisfying for small-minded, nasty people to single out a very small and vulnerable group that has quite enough trials and tribulations as it is (as seen in their very high suicide rate, for example). Yes, do that, amplify any tiny thing they can, shout it from the rooftops, as an excuse to pile on and bully said small, unfortunate, vulnerable group. So smug, so satisfying. So easy. You feel so very superior to them.

It's not a good look, is it.

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Oh look. The one TRA dumb enough and misogynistic enough to try and defend this disgusting behaviour has joined the chat. 🙄

F.R.O my love. No difference between you and a common or garden incel.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 11/05/2025 17:56

Let ‘em speak, let ‘em speak

Everyone needs to understand what trans activists are like

yourhairiswinterfire · 11/05/2025 17:56

Of course, it's highly satisfying for small-minded, nasty people to single out a very small and vulnerable group that has quite enough trials and tribulations as it is (as seen in their very high suicide rate, for example).

What the hell even is this? Women should allow males access to our changing rooms and undressed bodies, and just stay quiet and accept being discriminated against and victimised, because some males are suicidal?

Hell no. We're not responsible for their mental health. Women's spaces weren't created to be validating and therapeutic for some men, they're for women's safety, privacy and dignity. If that makes men sad, that's their problem, not ours.

WearyAuldWumman · 11/05/2025 17:56

RedToothBrush · 11/05/2025 17:52

BigHeadBertha doesn't use the NHS yet sees fit to tell us we are all wrong about the management of our National Health Service.

NEXT.

(spot the tell)

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Yup.

LunaDeBallona · 11/05/2025 17:57

teawamutu · 11/05/2025 10:16

I've just read the Mail article and I want to break something.

But I think I'll send the nurses a card instead. A nice deluge of postal support sent care of Darlington Hospital's HR department might make a point?

That is a brilliant idea.
I’ve gone and written mine. I’m going to post it recorded delivery tomorrow.
“But how will that make Rose feel” is one of the most chilling things I’ve read through all of the years of trans shite,
It shows how deep rooted this support of men is against women whose voices have simply been ignored, their fears swept aside. And now we find out that ‘Roses’ father is a nonce - colour me surprised. He (the nonce father) lives locally to my parents so l knew about him, but hadn’t joined the dots until today.

Sandie Peggie, the Darlington nurses and every woman who has supported this fight is a hero - wether you are JKR, Helen Joyce, Kelly- Jay Keen , Maya F, Keira Bell , Darling Magdalen Burns or simply women like me who have boycotted businesses, bought ‘Terf’ supporting stuff and spread the word peaking as many as we can.
We are winning this now. This is OUR YEAR Ladies.
And we have to show our support - I hope all the top brass at Darlington Trust loose their jobs for supporting ‘Rose’ against these brave women, especially Karen.
We women are just glorious - I never fail to be amazed at how wonderful we are.

CoaltownFifer · 11/05/2025 17:59

I feel like there needs to be a petition to the government/health secretary on the subject of preventing NHS boards from threatening or denying female born adult patients healthcare for stating discomfort in being treated by men living as woman. I can't remember if it was this thread or the one in AIBU, but someone said it's akin to coercive abuse because in many cases the health issues of these women were so serious they either 'accept' this state enforced invasion of their vulnerabilities or the consequences of their illnesses. This situation should never occur in a public funded health service, of which I expect these women have contributed to financially. We are having our rights to dignity in sickness held to ransom, and that randsom is the witholding of often female related medical treatments. It really is unbelievable that medicine could legally be denied to anyone in these instances.

Annoyedone · 11/05/2025 17:59

BigHeadBertha · 11/05/2025 17:03

More hyped up drama about a transperson in a dressing room/restroom/or anywhere else on the planet. Something few people have probably even ever knowingly experienced and even far fewer having been even mildy inconvenienced by. There aren't that many of them, you know, and most of them just want to be able to get through their lives in some kind of minimal comfort.

Of course, it's highly satisfying for small-minded, nasty people to single out a very small and vulnerable group that has quite enough trials and tribulations as it is (as seen in their very high suicide rate, for example). Yes, do that, amplify any tiny thing they can, shout it from the rooftops, as an excuse to pile on and bully said small, unfortunate, vulnerable group. So smug, so satisfying. So easy. You feel so very superior to them.

It's not a good look, is it.

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Oh go away.

WearyAuldWumman · 11/05/2025 18:00

yourhairiswinterfire · 11/05/2025 17:56

Of course, it's highly satisfying for small-minded, nasty people to single out a very small and vulnerable group that has quite enough trials and tribulations as it is (as seen in their very high suicide rate, for example).

What the hell even is this? Women should allow males access to our changing rooms and undressed bodies, and just stay quiet and accept being discriminated against and victimised, because some males are suicidal?

Hell no. We're not responsible for their mental health. Women's spaces weren't created to be validating and therapeutic for some men, they're for women's safety, privacy and dignity. If that makes men sad, that's their problem, not ours.

I'll admit that I was once sympathetic to the idea that a transwoman should be able to use women's toilets.

I live in Fife. The Lennon Dolatowski debacle put paid to any sympathy that I had.

Seethlaw · 11/05/2025 18:03

BigHeadBertha · 11/05/2025 17:03

More hyped up drama about a transperson in a dressing room/restroom/or anywhere else on the planet. Something few people have probably even ever knowingly experienced and even far fewer having been even mildy inconvenienced by. There aren't that many of them, you know, and most of them just want to be able to get through their lives in some kind of minimal comfort.

Of course, it's highly satisfying for small-minded, nasty people to single out a very small and vulnerable group that has quite enough trials and tribulations as it is (as seen in their very high suicide rate, for example). Yes, do that, amplify any tiny thing they can, shout it from the rooftops, as an excuse to pile on and bully said small, unfortunate, vulnerable group. So smug, so satisfying. So easy. You feel so very superior to them.

It's not a good look, is it.

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I'm trans, and those of us who are adults are not some kind of small, fragile, fuzzy animals (the children are a whole other, horrifying matter). We're human beings, like anyone else, so please treat us as such. That means accepting that we can be as nasty as anyone else. And that we're just as capable of taking care of ourselves as anyone else. We're not exceptionally vulnerable, nor are we unfortunate. We are just human beings who have made a decision to walk a certain path. Our lives are not magically so much harder than anyone else's.

So really, stop fetishising us, it's creepy and misplaced.

PonyPatter44 · 11/05/2025 18:03

No, don't go away, Bertha. Tell us more about how sexual abuse survivors should be anaesthetised and exposed so that perverts transwomen can have unfettered access to their bodies. I'm literally DYING to hear your rationale on this one.

RedToothBrush · 11/05/2025 18:05

Bertha, where is Darlington?

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 11/05/2025 18:09

yourhairiswinterfire · 11/05/2025 17:56

Of course, it's highly satisfying for small-minded, nasty people to single out a very small and vulnerable group that has quite enough trials and tribulations as it is (as seen in their very high suicide rate, for example).

What the hell even is this? Women should allow males access to our changing rooms and undressed bodies, and just stay quiet and accept being discriminated against and victimised, because some males are suicidal?

Hell no. We're not responsible for their mental health. Women's spaces weren't created to be validating and therapeutic for some men, they're for women's safety, privacy and dignity. If that makes men sad, that's their problem, not ours.

Handy how they are omitting the female suicide stats. And the male. Just using the trans stats to make their point.

@BigHeadBertha Everyone has mental health, regardless of their sex or how they identify. If women have to take responsibility for men's mental health, men have to take responsibility for ours.

Why does no one care about the mental health of women who this changing space is for? Only this one man (who is definitely a man, see the photos and the article where he is engaged to a woman he is trying to impregnate with his own sperm and penis) matters here, right? No one else?