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Greens internal drama warms up

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fromorbit · 05/05/2025 15:43

New long article looking at the drama inside the Greens over biology suddenly existing again despite their best efforts.

How the Green Party forgot the environment and was torn apart by trans rows
It was a party united by a single mission – to save the planet. But now the gender identity debate has left it divided and in chaos

https://archive.is/TOlNx

The article is already out of date as Zack Polanski of hypnotic breasts fame has just launched a leadership bid against Deyner and Ramsey.

Emma Bateman
It's no secret that big boobs Polanski wants the top job. He is a student politics slogan churner, a self server who distains women and wants misgendering misdemeanours to be grounds for expulsion from the Greens.
He is "LGB with the T"
Still NO DEBATE!

Pro-women Greens article on his background:;
https://concernedgreens.uk/watchlist/zack-polanski/

The existence of biology is likely to be a significant part of the leadership contest for sure so interesting to watch .

Ali Shahrar has launched another legal challenge against the Greens. Gardening needed.

May 27th is the date for Emma Bateman's legal hearing against the Greens.

On May 27th I am in court against Green Party in a case which will expose the contorted lengths the Greens go to in order to shut women up.

It isn't going to go well for the Greens given the Supreme Court ruling. This could be key moment in seeing the ruling's effect on politics and directly impact the leadership contest. It will also be probably be infuriating and hilarious in equal measure.

Zack Polanski – Concerned Greens

https://concernedgreens.uk/watchlist/zack-polanski

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ArealAdultHumanFemale · 18/08/2025 18:11

cariadlet · 18/08/2025 17:45

I know people who have been members of the Greens since it was the Ecology Party and they are thoroughly pissed off with what Zack and his ilk are trying to turn the Green Party into.

I'm one of them.

birchtreeglow · 18/08/2025 18:41

This is the Greens in Cheshire earlier this year:

ArabellaScott · 18/08/2025 19:14

cariadlet · 18/08/2025 17:45

I know people who have been members of the Greens since it was the Ecology Party and they are thoroughly pissed off with what Zack and his ilk are trying to turn the Green Party into.

No wonder. It's the only party I've ever been a member of (Scottish and E/W). It's shite that they've killed it off, watered it down, derailed it. The more we need it, the harder they seem to work to swerve away from the main purpose. One might become a bit conspiracy minded.

fromorbit · 19/08/2025 08:16

Interesting interview.

Mothin Ali: “There’s a lot of racism on the left”
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2025/08/mothin-ali-interview-theres-a-lot-of-racism-on-the-left

Ali has recently come under scrutiny for deciding not to sign any internal pledges from the party’s various interest groups, particularly the LGBTIQA+ Greens. His reasoning was, firstly, that politicians regularly sign and break these types of pledge so they are not an effective way to effect change and, secondly, that pledges can subvert the party’s member-led policy process.

This stance prompted criticism and praise from inside and outside the party, much of which incorrectly assumed that he was unsupportive of LGBT rights when he is on the record expressing support for these communities. Amid the discussion online, Adnan Hussain, independent MP for Blackburn asked on X, “Is there space on the left to create a broad enough church to allow Muslims an authentic space, just as it does all other minority groups?”

“First and foremost, I’ve got to say I’m an unapologetic Muslim. I make no apology for who I am,” Ali said when I asked him if there is a place for practising Muslims in progressive spaces. “A lot of our [Islamic] mindset, a lot of our thinking is predominantly left wing. It’s predominantly socialist based,” he responded, “we’ve got a lot of natural home here.

“But, just as the racists exist on the right, they exist on the left – and that’s a conversation that’s very rarely had.”

Ali said that one prominent Green Party member described him of being “sinister” while another said it was right to be “suspicious” of Muslims. These are, frankly, not uncommon attitudes in British society, but Ali highlights how the Green Party does not yet have an anti-racism policy – something that he and others hope to change at the Party’s autumn conference. “There’s a lot of that [racism] that goes on in left-wing spheres that, because it’s done with a level of politeness and a level of niceness, it’s not that visceral hate that you get on the right,” he said.

Very interesting development it will be absurd, but predictable if the sexist Greens get caught in their tendency to be bigoted towards people who have different ideas about gender, but then get trapped into accusations of racism.

I mean it is clear that was a one factor in the persecution of Ali Shahrar as well. A lot of white liberals telling a secular brown guy how he should think.

Meanwhile women having thoughts is a next level threat.

Mothin Ali: “There’s a lot of racism on the left”

The Green Party councillor on running for the deputy leadership, riots, Islam and race in Britain.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2025/08/mothin-ali-interview-theres-a-lot-of-racism-on-the-left

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ArabellaScott · 19/08/2025 09:00

the Green Party does not yet have an anti-racism policy

Holy moly. After the endless whanging on about gender and infinite identities.

cariadlet · 20/08/2025 01:11

ArabellaScott · 19/08/2025 09:00

the Green Party does not yet have an anti-racism policy

Holy moly. After the endless whanging on about gender and infinite identities.

A racism policy working group was set up this year and it bringing 2 anti-racism policies to the Green Party Autumn Conference.

Mothin Ali is involved but one of the other key voices is Hamza Egal, the former EEDI Manager who has been calling out racism in the Party for some time.

He is hated by the TRAs because when he was appointed EEDI Manager, he listened to all groups in the Green Party. One of the first things he did was to talk to Green Party Women and he had his cards marked from then on.

fromorbit · 31/08/2025 12:13

Results drop on Tuesday. ZP win looks likely:

The new Green Party leader will shape Britain’s future
This leadership election is a choice between continuity and populism.

https://archive.is/GSFv9

Deputy leadership is more open especially as there might be two.

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Lalgarh · 31/08/2025 12:23

Hat tip @fromorbit OP.

Green young LGBTQ+ Inclusion Spokesperson Jenny Knight backing Mothin Ali for deputy. This is lovely intersectional allyship!

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/bLHTjBa5Bgs

do they really not have an anti racism policy yet?

Before you continue to YouTube

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/bLHTjBa5Bgs

fromorbit · 31/08/2025 14:23

Starting to see a pile on X from TAs on Mothin as he defends Hussain the recent attacks. Further evidence that the Gaza/Trans nexus is starting to break down it seems.

Mothin Ali
MothinAli
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5h
I can't help but note the parallels between the attacks levelled at me a few weeks ago, by people that I would have considered comrades and the attacks against jeremycorbyn and AdnanHussainMP

I see you no different from the likes of Farage and Lowe or the racists that attacked my family this week.
If Corbyn's 40+ year commitment to Palestine is not good enough for you- then what chance do we have to build a broader coalition. This is nothing short of sabotage.

It's no different than some left-wing factions insisting that Greens are not left wing enough in our DNA
It's time to put purity testing to one side and pick an actual side.

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Lalgarh · 31/08/2025 14:35

"pick a side".

Sounds a bit adversarial brother

fromorbit · 31/08/2025 14:48

Mothin is now being criticised by Windy.
https://x.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1962072187268972545

https://x.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1962072187268972545

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ArabellaScott · 31/08/2025 14:54

' I spent a year under the protection of the Met’s Counter Terrorism Unit because of a credible death threat from the same Far Right thugs linked to the murder of Jo Cox.' (Willoughby). That is horrible, and WIlloughby has my sympathy.

ArabellaScott · 31/08/2025 14:55

'I’ve just looked at your timeline - can’t see anything about the plight of trans people, currently under a genocide warning from the Lemkin Institute and facing segregation. Maybe I’ve missed them. I don’t see any solidarity from Adnan or Mothin'

How often are people required to perform public abeisance to the gender cult and chant the catechism?

Lalgarh · 31/08/2025 15:01

Getting Gaza/ pro Palestine motivated campaigners to claim the real genocide is for trans people is quite a bold move.

And it's highly likely to trigger

SionnachRuadh · 31/08/2025 17:33

ArabellaScott · 31/08/2025 14:55

'I’ve just looked at your timeline - can’t see anything about the plight of trans people, currently under a genocide warning from the Lemkin Institute and facing segregation. Maybe I’ve missed them. I don’t see any solidarity from Adnan or Mothin'

How often are people required to perform public abeisance to the gender cult and chant the catechism?

Mention the Lemkin Institute enough times, and people will assume it's a credible authority and not two slacktivists with a website.

Lalgarh · 31/08/2025 17:41

By the way this seems to be the greens ' equality statement which is the nearest thing to their anti racism statement

https://greenparty.org.uk/about/our-manifesto/defending-human-rights-democracy-and-justice/

"Green MPs will always stand up against hate crime, misogyny and violence against women and girls, Islamophobia and antisemitism.
Our commitment to human rights encompasses equalities, justice and civil liberties too. So we will:

  • Campaign to end violence against women and girls.
  • Scrap the Police, Crime Sentencing and Courts Act, the Public Order Act and other legislation that erodes the right to protest and free expression.
  • Campaign for the right of self-identification for trans and non-binary people.
  • Scrap the Prevent programme and tackle hate crime, misogyny, Islamophobia and antisemitism. Seek to restore trust and confidence in the police.
  • Repair and renew our crumbling court system with a £2.5bn investment."

Then it's got a case study about tackling crime in Bristol

"In 2023, Green councillor Mohamed Makawi, whose friend had been fatally stabbed in Castle Park, proposed a motion to bring down knife crime in Bristol that was passed by full Council.
Rather than simply calling for more policing, the Green motion outlined practical solutions and addressed the social factors underlying knife violence.
It introduced simple but vital steps to save lives, such as providing emergency bleed kits and staff training for night-time venues, and providing more lighting and CCTV to fix ‘blind spots’ in areas of high knife crime."

Did they actually reduce knife attacks though ?

Defending Human Rights, Democracy and Justice - Green Party

Real hope.Real change. Green MPs will always defend our democratic and human rights, uphold the rule of law and tackle political corruption. We will also push for the UK to become a modern, functional and more representative democracy. We will defend t...

https://greenparty.org.uk/about/our-manifesto/defending-human-rights-democracy-and-justice/

TeiTetua · 31/08/2025 18:35

I don't see how they expect to "stand up against hate crime, misogyny and violence against women and girls" and yet "Campaign for the right of self-identification for trans and non-binary people". They need to make up their minds which one they'll support. (Of course the evidence is available, but the talk and the actions don't match.)

Chersfrozenface · 31/08/2025 20:19

Did they actually reduce knife attacks though ?

Doesn't look like it. Per the BBC.

"There were 400 more crimes involving knives in Bristol in 2023/2024 than the previous year, data has revealed.

Knives were used in 1,953 offences between April 2023 and March 2024, compared to 1,553 in 2022/2023, an increase of 26%, an annual report of the Bristol Community Safety Partnership said."

The above story is dated January 2025, so presumably the figures for April 2024 to March 2025 won't be available until January 2026.

Lalgarh · 01/09/2025 09:10

"violent metaphors" in green 💚 leadership race ooooof

feels faintly daring for the guardian to mention tension in what styles itself as the nice party

www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/01/green-party-leadership-race-exposes-tensions-electoral-ambitions-grow

fromorbit · 01/09/2025 13:18

Telegraph article actually explores the gender drama

‘Gay, vegan and lives in Hackney’: The firebrand with a plan to reinvent the Greens
Underdog Zack Polanksi is tipped to become party leader, but his Leftist policies are more divisive than those of his rivals
https://archive.is/AfrBx#

Of the non-environmental policies, the most divisive has been the Green’s stance on trans rights. The Party’s official stance, with which Polanski, Ramsay and Chowns agree, is that trans men are men, trans women are women, and non-binary identities are valid. This puts it in tension with the other main political parties, as well as the findings of the Cass Report last year and the Supreme Court ruling earlier this year, which ruled that “woman” refers to biological sex.
But the issue is an internal fault-line too, with Ramsay and his outgoing co-leader Carla Denyer apparently on opposite sides of the debate. Earlier this year Ramsay refused to answer when asked whether trans women were women.
Outgoing Green Party co-leader Carla Denyer and Adrian Ramsay, who is running on a ticket with Ellie Chowns to become the new joint leaders

“It has been a source of real tension,” Jones says. “Debate is healthy but there hasn’t been the debate. Debate on one side has been closed down all the time and that’s not healthy. I’m hoping we’re finding a way through it. There’s people like me who know that there are two sexes and you can’t change sex, but that doesn’t diminish my concern about trans rights.”
Although she says the trans issue does not often come up on the doorstep, where people are more likely to want to talk about sewage and Gaza, it remains a sensitive subject within the rank and file. In September, the party was ordered to pay deputy leader Shahrar Ali £90,000 in costs, after a court ruled that it had unlawfully discriminated against him over his gender-critical beliefs.

“They’re out of control, as a party,” he says. “They’re nothing like the party I first joined 23 years ago. Gender identity authoritarianism has completely destroyed the internal democracy of the party. They have basically made it impossible for anybody with a strong gender critical persuasion to put that pitch. Had I been standing as possibly one of the gender critical activists in the party, that would have been something like a referendum on this issue, which is what they’ve always feared. Because not only would those viewpoints have been articulated, but people would have known that if they were voting for me they’d be voting for that kind of politics and adopt sensible unequivocal positions on Cass and the Supreme Court [ruling].”
Polanski says the issue is settled. “It’s yesterday’s argument,” he says. “The party has consistently voted for and elected trans-inclusive policies and spokespeople. For those who are fixated on pushing gender critical beliefs, other parties are available. The issue has been settled several times now.”

Polanski is talking rot. Today a bunch of TAs are attacking Mothin. Some Green TAs are now regretting their vote. It will be hilarious if Polanski wins and then Mothin is one of the deputies.

Plus there are more court cases coming. In the UK the law says women are actually a thing.

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cariadlet · 01/09/2025 17:22

The Green Party are revealing the leadership election results tomorrow.
On YouTube from 11am
https://youtube.com/live/vdqz9ZvFZI4

fromorbit · 01/09/2025 17:45

cariadlet · 01/09/2025 17:22

The Green Party are revealing the leadership election results tomorrow.
On YouTube from 11am
https://youtube.com/live/vdqz9ZvFZI4

Going to be interesting.

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tobee · 02/09/2025 11:40

It's Polanski

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