Greens internal drama warms up

[fromorbit]

New long article looking at the drama inside the Greens over biology suddenly existing again despite their best efforts.

How the Green Party forgot the environment and was torn apart by trans rows
It was a party united by a single mission – to save the planet. But now the gender identity debate has left it divided and in chaos

https://archive.is/TOlNx

The article is already out of date as Zack Polanski of hypnotic breasts fame has just launched a leadership bid against Deyner and Ramsey.

Emma Bateman
It's no secret that big boobs Polanski wants the top job. He is a student politics slogan churner, a self server who distains women and wants misgendering misdemeanours to be grounds for expulsion from the Greens.
He is "LGB with the T"
Still NO DEBATE!

Pro-women Greens article on his background:;
https://concernedgreens.uk/watchlist/zack-polanski/

The existence of biology is likely to be a significant part of the leadership contest for sure so interesting to watch .

Ali Shahrar has launched another legal challenge against the Greens. Gardening needed.

May 27th is the date for Emma Bateman's legal hearing against the Greens.

On May 27th I am in court against Green Party in a case which will expose the contorted lengths the Greens go to in order to shut women up.

It isn't going to go well for the Greens given the Supreme Court ruling. This could be key moment in seeing the ruling's effect on politics and directly impact the leadership contest. It will also be probably be infuriating and hilarious in equal measure.

'On his first day as leader of the Green Party, Zack Polanski has gone on the radio to say that people should not be allowed to say that they "want to kick a woman in the balls"'

https://x.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1963165150900359616

😂

He's just in it to raise his own profile isn't he?
Good, bad, or comical, it doesn't matter as long as his name becomes recognisable.

He's basically muscling in on Corbyn territory. As mentioned in the other thread a lot of ppl project their hopes into Corbyn (I mean, have you READ the poetry that his ardent fans did?) but it's unlikely he'd wholeheartedly back this viewpoint. As users who know JC on that thread said, he finds it hard to be enthused about causes he's not passionate about.

With this he becomes the anti Farage instead of Corbyn

Corbyn also has the anti-state thing where he doesn't think anyone should be arrested for political speech.

As far as TWAW goes, Corbyn will say the thing and since he's taken up that position he won't be budged from it... but I know people in Corbyn world who really are TWAW fanatics, and he just isn't. I think for him it's much less interesting than whatever's happening in Eritrea or wherever.

I doubt if Polanski really believes it either, but he's got a knack for inspired opportunism.

There's an article in Spiked

Zack Polanski’s bonkers defence of Graham Linehan’s arrest - spiked https://share.google/1JBlgEjjFQEblSCTJ

I didn't know the 70s equivalent of the Green Party wanted to sterilise people. Although I know they're worried about overpopulation. I've often thought one of the reasons they might be gung-ho for transing people, especially kids, was to stop them breeding. It's the old policies with a progressive face.

Omg the utter plonker😂
well, it’s a good thing glinner didnt say anything that silly.

I suggest you read the 1975 Ecology Party Manifesto for a Sustainable Society before parroting what a hostile journalist says. It wasn't a manifesto in the conventional sense, more about principles and general approach than specific, deliverable policies.

I wasn't born when it was written, but I know people who've been active in the Green Party since the Ecology Party days and they are not the ones pushing the trans agenda. Many of them are very upset, but still fighting for their party. Look at Greens in Exile, look at the ages of the women and men who've been expelled or suspended.

Taking pot shots at an organisation you don't know or understand without making at least some effort to inform yourself is disrespectful and it's how misinformation spreads.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_(UK)

A potted history.

I really do feel for long standing members. Some very fine people, and so much good work lost.

Perhaps I should have added NAGPMALT. There's nutters in every party.

We are gutted, and Zack really doesn't speak for genuine long term GP members.

The Greens seem to have cornered the market on the maddest.

Whats even more crazy is the few have been kicked out for being too mad even for the party...

Labour are going on the offensive over the Hypno Boobs scandal. Be interesting to see how it plays out. Looking ridiculous is a difficult thing for a politician to escape from

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/zack-polanski-green-party-hypnotherapy-b2819071.html

Possibly true, but probably necessary to keep Farage and the Reform racists out of power.

The reason Polanski won is that the others thought that being quiet and professional is what's needed now, which is of course completely wrong. (They were also somewhere between silent and terfy on trans issues).

As Monbiot says, Polanski "is loud and confrontational at a time when nothing else will do". He's not perfect but he was the best choice by a mile.

A recent article on this in the Guardian (www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/sep/03/green-party-zack-polanski-labour-reform) is about his his appointment in the light of Labour's failings, and I can't disagree with any of it.
My personal hope is that the "Your Party" will split the vote so hard that Labour has to look at PR for survival, because there's no reason Starmer should be able to keep a single progressive voter. (I'm not very excited for Your Party because they have just appointed a bunch of militant terfs and Zaldana is the only one who looks like she'll fight them on that, and it won't be enough. But taking Labour votes would be a great outcome. If the country doesn't get PR there's not a lot of hope for the future).

Also, reading the Green's list of policies here (short version: public ownership of water, rail and energy, funding the NHS, spending big on mental healthcare, abolishing the two-child benefit cap and the bedroom tax, pro-workers and unions laws, rent controls, eco policies, taxing the rich to pay for it) they're the only ones anywhere near what I want.

Anyway, Monbiot can often be way over the top but everything he's saying about Starmer here just seems accurate.

Have a look at the Greens in Exile website.

Far from being kicked out for being too mad for the Party, the authoritarian TRAs have been suspending and expelling the most sensible, rational members - usually because they know the difference between sex and gender and they care about women's rights and safeguarding children.

As Monbiot says, Polanski "is loud and confrontational at a time when nothing else will do".
You could say the same thing about Trump and Reform. Loud and confrontational might get some votes but there needs to be substance behind it.
Polanski is good at soundbites but he also needs to know how to deliver what he's promising.
His track record within the Greens internally is concerning. He'll be confrontational with people he disagrees with but what has he actually delivered other than disagreement?
The phrase 'mouth but no trousers' comes to mind.

Yes, but with Polanski in charge I can only see that getting worse. Plus upcoming court cases threaten to bankrupt the party as it is.

I'm not sure they'll last to the next election, tbh, and with a surge of enthusiastic trans activists joining the purity spirals and struggle sessions are going to be unreal.

Lets be honest, a man who claims to be able to hypnotise boobs bigger might have the charm and charisma to get into power but he won't have the ethics or the sharp mind needed to make an actual positive difference when he gets there.

He won the election overwhelmingly, but on only 35%+ turnout. He used to be a Lib -Dem ( says a lot in my view).

I don't know how these two new radical Left parties are going to square the circle with the Muslim conservatives who may well be with them on Gaza, but certainly not on much else.

The thing is, a left wing Populist especially a green one would (unlike a right wing one) seem fatally compromised if it turns out he'd been doing things linked to the "other side".

How many long haul flights has Polanski taken? Does he have a petrol car? If it turned out Trump had say taken public transport or once needed welfare his Base wouldn't care. If Polanski was still flying to Australia etc in the last decade or say as an actor had been in an advert for Shell....

His views on what a woman is ( " He can't possibly begin to know") are very extreme, and unsustainable, too.

You'll find that people in pole position in the orthodoxy can be excused the most awful things. They do a bit of performative repentance and are absolved of sin.

Funny how they tend to be men, too.

Women get damned to hell forever, but men can redeem themselves quite easily.

The hypnoboob incident says he’s either a fool with no grip on scientific reality (surely a green politician absolutely needs that?) if he actually believed what he was doing, or else he was willing to be an out and out charlatan. Whether he’s apologised or not, is this someone anyone can ever trust? The thing about Tony Benn’s quote -sure, it doesn’t matter where you’ve come from, it matters where you’re going - but the ‘you’ in that is unlikely to fundamentally change.

The hypnoboob thing screams predatory in my opinion. There's a few examples of doctors using their position to take advantage of patients. A person under hyponsis is probably even more easy to take advantage of.
There's no way being a boob whisperer doesn't involve getting the boobs out on display, and hands on. Everything about this guy makes me think he's in it for him and no one else. I've met or or two people like this in my time, they are very good at manipulation, and taking advantage of others, especially when a person is confused or vulnerable. In my opinion he's just doing it on an industrial scale, a whole party at once. The removal of sensible people also makes taking advantage much easier.
My opinion prediction : Ever increasing sexual and financial abuse for his own benefit that will all come out at the end in a massive scandal ( How could anyone have forseen? ). The Greens as a party getting increasingly crazier with each story. The party shrinking in size with each crazy story until only a few of the most die hard brain washed fanatics are left. At the end headlines along the lines of How did the Green party end up becoming a cult?

Polanski is passionate and a good speaker. He used that to get a landslide inside the party. If YP didn't exist I think he would have a good chance of building the Greens in certain areas. As to whether he can take on Reform, Well Polanski will get to try to face Reform directly in May 2026. At stake is

• At least 4,249 council seats
• At least 72 unitary, metropolitan, district and London councils in England
• 10 directly elected mayors in England

Remember in 2025 Reform got a local election landslide from nothing. If they do that again they are heading for Westminster on a roll. My suspicion is that they are not in competition so that Greens will take votes from Labour, Lib Dems, YP if they gain. So in splitting the vote they will not stop Reform, in fact they may help. Many of the councils are in urban areas where Polanski obviously wants to do well. Greens traditionally do well in council elections so Polanski needs to do build on that and more. I look forward to Polanski and Farage debating each other at some point. I think both of their supporters will love it.

You mention PR. Well again it is in the balance in May. Labour turning to PR is unlikely especially if the Welsh elections go as predicted in the polls. They brought full PR in there. According to some polls Labour may go into third. So Labour bringing in PR is going to be tied in their mind to losing a major stronghold. For the Greens traditionally weak in Wales PR might present an opportunity. That means taking on Plaid and Labour and the others. YP meanwhile is already getting boots on the ground and they have some significant veterans in their ranks. I would not be surprised if YP do fairly well, but the competition could wreck the Greens chance of getting in Senedd.

Another point you mention the internal Muslim/LGBT drama inside YP. The same issue could sink the Greens. A load of TAs inside the Greens want to take down Mothin. This could trigger a major crisis in the party in the next few years. It will be accusations of racism vs LGBT hatred. There is no way for any left party in the UK to do well without Muslim votes. the problem is many British Muslims don't believe in a lot of LGBT stuff as discussed previously in this thread. They now have the votes to express their preference. This is not an avoidable issue any longer.

In fact the debate inside Greens/YP is likely to supercharge other things. For instance there has always been anti-immigration gay people. Their numbers are not getting smaller quite the reverse. Because they think letting in bigotted immigrants is not safe for all the wins they have made. Muslims are not beating the allegations right now if they derail two parties over this. People can say Reform hate gay people as much as they want yet David Bull who is Chairman of Reform U.K is gay as is Darren Grimes who has just been elected to Reform's party board.

What is great now is people are going to have debates openly and put their feelings out there. If Polanski wants people arrested for Tweets while opposing the arrests of other people for supporting Palestine Action he can. Others are going to look at that and go that's a bit daft as is expelling people over biology. The thing is that is obviously going to derail arguments over climate change which are more important.

What have I just read?

Quack. Quack.

Waddle waddle.

Grifter or fantasist?

Either way. Misognyist. Certainly sounds like its out the incel playbook.