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JK Rowlings latest tweet. Just wow!

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Imnobody4 · 03/05/2025 20:36

I've copied it in full.
https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1918747065460420745?t=bPXQ2pY9VAwPPqFR26_vvw&s=19

In light of recent open letters from academia and the arts criticising the UK's Supreme Court ruling on sex-based rights, it's possibly worth remembering that nobody sane believes, or has ever believed, that humans can change sex, or that binary sex isn't a material fact. These letters do nothing but remind us of what we know only too well: that pretending to believe these things has become an elitist badge of virtue.

I often wonder whether the signatories of such letters have to quieten their consciences before publicly boosting a movement intent on removing women's and girls' rights, which bullies gay people who admit openly they don't want opposite sex partners, and campaigns for the continued sterilisation of vulnerable and troubled kids. Do they feel any qualms at all while chanting the foundational lie of their religion: Trans Women are Women, Trans Men are Men?

I have no idea. All I know for sure is that it's a complete waste of time telling a gender activist that their favourite slogan is self-contradictory nonsense, because the lie is the whole point. They're not repeating it because it's true - they know full well it's not true - but because they believe they can make it true, sort of, if they force everyone else to agree. The foundational lie functions as both catechism and crucifix: the set form of words that obviates the tedious necessity of coming up with your own explanation of why you're one of the Godly, and an exorcist's weapon which will defeat demonic facts and reason, and promote the advance of righteous pseudoscience and sophistry.

Some argue that signatories of these sorts of letters are motivated by fear: fear for their careers, of course, but also fear of their co-religionists, who include angry, narcissistic men who threaten and sometimes enact violence on non-believers; back-stabbing colleagues ever ready to report wrongthink; the online shamers and doxxers and rape threateners, and, of course, the influential zealots in the upper echelons of liberal professions (though we can quibble whether they're actually liberal at all, given the draconian authoritarianism that seems to have engulfed so many). Gender ideology could give medieval Catholicism a run for its money when it comes to punishing heretics, so isn't it common sense to keep your head down and recite your Hail Mulvaneys?

But before we start feeling too sorry for any cowed and fearful TWAWites who're TERFy on the sly, let's not forget what a high proportion of them have willingly snatched up pitchforks and torches to join the inquisitional purges. Call me lacking in proper womanly sympathy, but I find the harm they've enabled and in some cases directly championed or funded - the hounding and shaming of vulnerable women, the forced loss of livelihoods, the unregulated medical experiment on minors - tends to dry up my tears at source.

History is littered with the debris of irrational and harmful belief systems that once seemed unassailable. As Orwell said, 'Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.' Gender ideology may have embedded itself deeply into our institutions, where it's been imposed, top-down, on the supposedly unenlightened, but it is not invulnerable.

Court losses are starting to stack up. The condescension, overreach, entitlement and aggression of gender activists is eroding public support daily. Women are fighting back and winning significant victories. Sporting bodies have miraculously awoken from their slumber and remembered that males tend to be larger, stronger and faster than females. Parts of the medical establishment are questioning cutting healthy breasts off teenaged girls is really the best way to fix their mental health problems.

One seemingly harmless little white lie - Trans Women are Women, Trans Men are Men - uttered in most cases without any real thought at all, and a few short years later, people who think of themselves as supremely virtuous are typing 'yes, rapists' pronouns are absolutely the hill I'll die on,' rubbing shoulders with those who call for women to be hanged and decapitated for wanting all-female rape crisis centres, and furiously denying clear and mounting evidence of the greatest medical scandal in a century.

I wonder if they ever ask themselves how they got here, and I wonder whether any of them will ever feel shame.

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1918747065460420745?s=19&t=bPXQ2pY9VAwPPqFR26_vvw

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MarieDeGournay · 04/05/2025 12:21

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:13

No, because I don't think one week of only skimming the news counts as not paying attention. I read the news regularly, from many different sources, and I can never recall an instance of a woman pouncing on another woman and subjecting her to a rape and sexual attack the way men do to women. Since you seem to be implying that this happens every week, perhaps you could post a link?

Where did the suggestion that women 'pounce on' and rape other women come from?

I've been following this thread fairly closely but I must have missed the place where someone claimed that women rape women...maybe even every week??
To say 'it runs counter to the general tenor of debate on this thread' is an understatement..
Can somebody, maybe even StuckUpPrincess, explain where this weird idea came from?

SinnerBoy · 04/05/2025 12:21

What about stricter sects of Judaism? Would they allow a trans male, operation or not, to even enter the Temple? Deuteronomy and Leviticus are quite particular about men who've been injured, or lost their genitals. Not to mention the prohibitions against wearing the clothes of the opposite sex.

woolens · 04/05/2025 12:21

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 04/05/2025 03:29

What has she got wrong? A genuine belief in something doesn’t make it true. Some people believe the earth is flat, that isn’t true either. We should never have pandered to this insidious, regressive, homophobic ideology in the first place.

I think what you’re saying is that she should just shut up. I think you’ll find that ship has sailed.

What I feel she's got wrong is framing those who promote this toxic ideology as being liars. Like any cult movement, there are many who truly, genuinely believe it.

I'm not saying she should shut up at all! I'm just disagreeing with her on this point.

spannasaurus · 04/05/2025 12:22

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:13

No, because I don't think one week of only skimming the news counts as not paying attention. I read the news regularly, from many different sources, and I can never recall an instance of a woman pouncing on another woman and subjecting her to a rape and sexual attack the way men do to women. Since you seem to be implying that this happens every week, perhaps you could post a link?

We not talking about women attacking women. We're talking about male rapists being referred to as women by the courts and press. Did you miss the coverage of Isla Bryson

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:22

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 12:11

Because of how they dress?

How else can you tell when you pass them in the toilets?

Because they look female. Like her:

JK Rowlings latest tweet. Just wow!
TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 04/05/2025 12:23

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 04/05/2025 11:59

Oh god, I've just realised - I've been going around thinking I would only quite like to be a billionaire. I should have been going around really genuinely believing I was a billionaire. I feel such a fool.

Edited

Can you recommend a surgeon who will transform me into a billionaire?

I've thought for ages that I'd get Eon-Next off my back if I were a billionaire.

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:24

spannasaurus · 04/05/2025 12:22

We not talking about women attacking women. We're talking about male rapists being referred to as women by the courts and press. Did you miss the coverage of Isla Bryson

But if male rapists are being referred to as women, why am I not hearing news reports of women sexually attacking women? That's my point.

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:25

SinnerBoy · 04/05/2025 12:21

What about stricter sects of Judaism? Would they allow a trans male, operation or not, to even enter the Temple? Deuteronomy and Leviticus are quite particular about men who've been injured, or lost their genitals. Not to mention the prohibitions against wearing the clothes of the opposite sex.

I don't want to get into my religion on top of everything else in this thread; I can't keep up as it is.

spannasaurus · 04/05/2025 12:25

RedToothBrush · 04/05/2025 11:58

Actually I want to be a billionaire shark.

Loansharks are sharks.

Is this you Red?

JK Rowlings latest tweet. Just wow!
Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 12:26

Why has the discussion devolved to needing examples of female people who attack others?

There is no evidence that a male person at any stage of transition has a lower risk of committing male pattern crime in the UK compared to the general male population.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 04/05/2025 12:26

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:24

But if male rapists are being referred to as women, why am I not hearing news reports of women sexually attacking women? That's my point.

But you are. Or at least, you were.

There have been cases where victims of male rape have been forced by the courts to call their attackers "she" because of self-ID.

woolens · 04/05/2025 12:26

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:22

Because they look female. Like her:

That's a man presenting himself in a stereotypically feminine manner.

spannasaurus · 04/05/2025 12:26

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:24

But if male rapists are being referred to as women, why am I not hearing news reports of women sexually attacking women? That's my point.

I don't know, do you shut your eyes and stick your fingers in your ears when you watch the news or read newspapers

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:27

MarieDeGournay · 04/05/2025 12:21

Where did the suggestion that women 'pounce on' and rape other women come from?

I've been following this thread fairly closely but I must have missed the place where someone claimed that women rape women...maybe even every week??
To say 'it runs counter to the general tenor of debate on this thread' is an understatement..
Can somebody, maybe even StuckUpPrincess, explain where this weird idea came from?

Yes. Posters are saying that trans women who rape women are being referred to in the press as women. If that's so, why am I not reading news stories about women attacking women? Meaning not bio women attacking bio women, but trans women being reported as women...attacking women. Why aren't I reading about woman-on-woman sex crime, if there are so many TW offenders and they are being reported merely as women, not TW?

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 12:27

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:24

But if male rapists are being referred to as women, why am I not hearing news reports of women sexually attacking women? That's my point.

WTAF?

Have we now JUMPED THE SHARK?

Beebop2025 · 04/05/2025 12:28

@SinnerBoy No is the answer.
I’m am guessing @StuckUpPrincess is a Reform Jew. They profess inclusion and equity but still separate tasks by gender stereotypes. What don’t the men make Challah ? That would be really progressive, as a mostly secular Jew I find this massively irritating.

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:28

woolens · 04/05/2025 12:26

That's a man presenting himself in a stereotypically feminine manner.

You would never, in a million years, have known that she's a TW if I hadn't told you. She looks completely female.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 04/05/2025 12:29

RedToothBrush · 04/05/2025 12:03

And on the note of someone saying it can't have happened because they've not seen it in the news that they don't pay attention, Im off to do some shark business for a bit cos I really really all logic-ed out for the time being.

My head hurts.

Happy sharking 🦈

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 04/05/2025 12:30

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:09

People who have fully transitioned look extremely different from people who have had no transition at all. That's how you can tell.

😂😂 no they really don’t, please stop this nonsense.

thirdfiddle · 04/05/2025 12:30

Oh stuckup, look at the filters on that picture. Look at the careful angling and hair draping so you can't see the breadth of the person's shoulders.

I don't want to share pictures of non passing transwomen but the vast majority far from passing in a bad light as women, are indistinguishable from non transitioned men, unless you sign up to stereotypes about men not being allowed to have long hair or makeup.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 04/05/2025 12:30

spannasaurus · 04/05/2025 12:26

I don't know, do you shut your eyes and stick your fingers in your ears when you watch the news or read newspapers

.............. singing la la la la la at the same time..............

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:31

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 12:27

WTAF?

Have we now JUMPED THE SHARK?

I'm not understanding your reaction. My question is logical.

  1. Most sex attackers are trans women, according to the chart someone posted.
  2. Media is reporting TW sex attackers as being women, not trans women.
  3. Therefore, I should be regularly reading reports of women sexually attacking other women, should I not?
LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 04/05/2025 12:32

KnottyAuty · 04/05/2025 12:17

I don't follow JKR's views particularly closely but I thought she had a fairly mixed/nuanced view. Can you link to a really explicit post where she has made this 100% pro-Israeli stance clear please?

Edited

They can’t, just came back with a lot of whataboutery nonsense.

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