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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JK Rowlings latest tweet. Just wow!

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Imnobody4 · 03/05/2025 20:36

I've copied it in full.
https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1918747065460420745?t=bPXQ2pY9VAwPPqFR26_vvw&s=19

In light of recent open letters from academia and the arts criticising the UK's Supreme Court ruling on sex-based rights, it's possibly worth remembering that nobody sane believes, or has ever believed, that humans can change sex, or that binary sex isn't a material fact. These letters do nothing but remind us of what we know only too well: that pretending to believe these things has become an elitist badge of virtue.

I often wonder whether the signatories of such letters have to quieten their consciences before publicly boosting a movement intent on removing women's and girls' rights, which bullies gay people who admit openly they don't want opposite sex partners, and campaigns for the continued sterilisation of vulnerable and troubled kids. Do they feel any qualms at all while chanting the foundational lie of their religion: Trans Women are Women, Trans Men are Men?

I have no idea. All I know for sure is that it's a complete waste of time telling a gender activist that their favourite slogan is self-contradictory nonsense, because the lie is the whole point. They're not repeating it because it's true - they know full well it's not true - but because they believe they can make it true, sort of, if they force everyone else to agree. The foundational lie functions as both catechism and crucifix: the set form of words that obviates the tedious necessity of coming up with your own explanation of why you're one of the Godly, and an exorcist's weapon which will defeat demonic facts and reason, and promote the advance of righteous pseudoscience and sophistry.

Some argue that signatories of these sorts of letters are motivated by fear: fear for their careers, of course, but also fear of their co-religionists, who include angry, narcissistic men who threaten and sometimes enact violence on non-believers; back-stabbing colleagues ever ready to report wrongthink; the online shamers and doxxers and rape threateners, and, of course, the influential zealots in the upper echelons of liberal professions (though we can quibble whether they're actually liberal at all, given the draconian authoritarianism that seems to have engulfed so many). Gender ideology could give medieval Catholicism a run for its money when it comes to punishing heretics, so isn't it common sense to keep your head down and recite your Hail Mulvaneys?

But before we start feeling too sorry for any cowed and fearful TWAWites who're TERFy on the sly, let's not forget what a high proportion of them have willingly snatched up pitchforks and torches to join the inquisitional purges. Call me lacking in proper womanly sympathy, but I find the harm they've enabled and in some cases directly championed or funded - the hounding and shaming of vulnerable women, the forced loss of livelihoods, the unregulated medical experiment on minors - tends to dry up my tears at source.

History is littered with the debris of irrational and harmful belief systems that once seemed unassailable. As Orwell said, 'Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.' Gender ideology may have embedded itself deeply into our institutions, where it's been imposed, top-down, on the supposedly unenlightened, but it is not invulnerable.

Court losses are starting to stack up. The condescension, overreach, entitlement and aggression of gender activists is eroding public support daily. Women are fighting back and winning significant victories. Sporting bodies have miraculously awoken from their slumber and remembered that males tend to be larger, stronger and faster than females. Parts of the medical establishment are questioning cutting healthy breasts off teenaged girls is really the best way to fix their mental health problems.

One seemingly harmless little white lie - Trans Women are Women, Trans Men are Men - uttered in most cases without any real thought at all, and a few short years later, people who think of themselves as supremely virtuous are typing 'yes, rapists' pronouns are absolutely the hill I'll die on,' rubbing shoulders with those who call for women to be hanged and decapitated for wanting all-female rape crisis centres, and furiously denying clear and mounting evidence of the greatest medical scandal in a century.

I wonder if they ever ask themselves how they got here, and I wonder whether any of them will ever feel shame.

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1918747065460420745?s=19&t=bPXQ2pY9VAwPPqFR26_vvw

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HPFA · 04/05/2025 12:01

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 08:36

I did, above:

Well, in my culture, a TW would come and sit on the women's side of the temple, no longer the men's side. And she would have to learn to make challah bread. And also cover her hair in the temple. Quite different to living as a man.

I think the issue here is that if the trans community was making the argument "transwomen should be able to live as if they were women" this line of reasoning would be more rational.

But the trans community tends to say "being a woman is not connected to being female" but then when asked what a woman is just mention cultural practices generally imposed on female people. But if all female people adopted gender neutral clothing. wore no make up and refused to abide by cultural practices, how then would trans women be able to show they were women?

I don't know why the trans community ever adopted this genderist position. It doesn't make it any easier to argue for the actual practical accommodations they want and means they have a harder position to defend.

Keeptoiletssafe · 04/05/2025 12:01

I want to be a person that doesn’t have to talk about toilet safety because in the future public and school toilet designs will focus on safety rather than total privacy. The Supreme Court decision is a huge stride forward in making this happen.

RedToothBrush · 04/05/2025 12:03

And on the note of someone saying it can't have happened because they've not seen it in the news that they don't pay attention, Im off to do some shark business for a bit cos I really really all logic-ed out for the time being.

My head hurts.

FOJN · 04/05/2025 12:05

BackToLurk · 04/05/2025 11:39

It seems Kathleen Stock was right. IYKYK

She used the word bit where the word very would have been more accurate.

Waitwhat23 · 04/05/2025 12:05

RedToothBrush · 04/05/2025 12:03

And on the note of someone saying it can't have happened because they've not seen it in the news that they don't pay attention, Im off to do some shark business for a bit cos I really really all logic-ed out for the time being.

My head hurts.

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Or 'it wasn't in the Guardian'

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 12:05

Shall we revisit the logic behind safeguarding risk assessments for making major policy decisions such as ‘why do female people need single sex spaces’?

Because like those statistics I posted up thread, male people at all stages of transition, continue to commit male pattern crime and at least at the same rate- no evidence at all that those crimes are committed at a rate equal to female people.

There are now many studies and anecdotes proving also that male people at all stages of transition retain male physical advantage. Including enormous advantage in grip strength and punch power and general power.

(Hence all the questions about what exactly changes with male people who transition)

So, safeguarding principles state that male people, all male people above the age of needing care, are to be excluded from female single sex spaces.

Female people on the other hand are considered to be less likely to commit male pattern crime. AND a female person is considered to have a good chance of defending themselves against attack of other female people.

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:06

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 04/05/2025 11:53

Lol.
So now we've got:
'I've never seen a report of a woman sexually attacking a woman'
'I've never heard of a disease requiring removal of the genitals and hormone therapy'
'I've never heard of someone claiming to be transracial'

I SEE NO SHIPS!

Correct. I've never heard of a woman pouncing on another woman after dark and raping her. I've never heard of people deeply feeling that they are a different race. I've never heard of any disease that has the exact same treatment as gender confirming treatment. I'm willing to believe all these things exist; I just haven't come across any instances myself.

IthasYes · 04/05/2025 12:08

Incredible.

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 12:08

RedToothBrush · 04/05/2025 11:54

I really really really want to be a shark.

Therefore I am a shark. You cant prove I'm not. Except for by fin inspection and using biology.

That's discrimination and grossly unfair.

This is the level of logic we are at.

It has come down to just that Red.

Some people’s deeply deeply held wish should be treated as material reality. And some people will go along with it because they lack the knowledge of how it negatively impacts others… they just want to be the kind person. Well… kind to that person with the deeply deeply held wish anyway.

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:09

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 04/05/2025 11:47

Ok, I'll try again....

Right, so you've stated, unequivocally, that self IDing transwomen need to stay the hell out of women's spaces. No penises for you. Got it. We all agree on that then.
But you're also saying that those who have had their genitals removed and are on a very specific hormone regime are absolutely fine by you.
Can you now explain how you are going to tell the difference?
And then, what the next logical step is to keeping those of the biological sex Male, out of women's spaces?

(and definitely women's spaces, because that it what you were referring to at the time, not the hypothetical third space you've had to pivot to...)

And editing to add that the 'Feelz' is very 2021, things have moved on...

Edited

People who have fully transitioned look extremely different from people who have had no transition at all. That's how you can tell.

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 12:10

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:06

Correct. I've never heard of a woman pouncing on another woman after dark and raping her. I've never heard of people deeply feeling that they are a different race. I've never heard of any disease that has the exact same treatment as gender confirming treatment. I'm willing to believe all these things exist; I just haven't come across any instances myself.

I just cannot believe you haven’t heard of the types of cancers that male people have.

It seems to be unbelievable.

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 12:11

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:09

People who have fully transitioned look extremely different from people who have had no transition at all. That's how you can tell.

Because of how they dress?

How else can you tell when you pass them in the toilets?

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 04/05/2025 12:12

BackToLurk · 04/05/2025 09:00

Women can become rabbis

Since 1935.

Silversixpenny · 04/05/2025 12:13

SquirrelSoShiny · 03/05/2025 20:41

I applaud her as ever. JKR is our queen ❤️

Good old JK!

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Judashascomeintosomemoney · 04/05/2025 12:13

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:09

People who have fully transitioned look extremely different from people who have had no transition at all. That's how you can tell.

In what way? Exactly.

And by 'fully transitioned' please explain what you mean so we know we're all on the same page.

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:13

RedToothBrush · 04/05/2025 11:57

Says the person you have just actively admitted they haven't been paying attention to the news over the course of the last week.

I think this admission of not paying attention to the news, means you are a pretty unreliable source when it comes to where there's been cases like this.

Don'tcha think?

(Tilts head).

No, because I don't think one week of only skimming the news counts as not paying attention. I read the news regularly, from many different sources, and I can never recall an instance of a woman pouncing on another woman and subjecting her to a rape and sexual attack the way men do to women. Since you seem to be implying that this happens every week, perhaps you could post a link?

DefineHappy · 04/05/2025 12:15

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 11:37

I didn't read much news last week.

If we are still subject to the ECHR, why did the SC rule this way?

Seriously?

🤯

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 04/05/2025 12:16

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:06

Correct. I've never heard of a woman pouncing on another woman after dark and raping her. I've never heard of people deeply feeling that they are a different race. I've never heard of any disease that has the exact same treatment as gender confirming treatment. I'm willing to believe all these things exist; I just haven't come across any instances myself.

So, this is slightly off track, but:

Is there anything, any evidence at all, that anyone in the world could point to, that would make you change your mind? Because people have been providing evidence left, right and centre, and you dismiss it as “not something you have ever seen and/or heard of.”

What I mean is, you have clearly made up your mind based only on things that you have personally seen and heard. You do not seem to want to acknowledge that other people have seen and heard different things. So, is there anything that anyone could say here that would make you change your mind? Or would you have to personally experience being raped by a trans woman in a single-sex women’s hospital ward, and be told by the hospital that you couldn’t have been raped because there were no men in the ward?

I just don’t understand how you can profess to be the religion that I presume you are, and have so little compassion for other people.

KnottyAuty · 04/05/2025 12:17

MellowCritic · 04/05/2025 09:00

Does she ? I didn't actually know this.. how odd she then supports the Israeli government in killing all the women and children in gaza. How strange? P.s you can do goods things and still be a c£=t so don't come at me with a list. She's clearly half and half in her character .

I don't follow JKR's views particularly closely but I thought she had a fairly mixed/nuanced view. Can you link to a really explicit post where she has made this 100% pro-Israeli stance clear please?

MyZippyLemonBiscuit · 04/05/2025 12:18

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:13

No, because I don't think one week of only skimming the news counts as not paying attention. I read the news regularly, from many different sources, and I can never recall an instance of a woman pouncing on another woman and subjecting her to a rape and sexual attack the way men do to women. Since you seem to be implying that this happens every week, perhaps you could post a link?

I remember hearing a story about a woman who pretended to be a man and used a dildo to have sex with her victim under the false pretences she was a man. How she got away with this I have no idea but my point is there are crazies in all walks of life. I think if you can prevent even 1% of possible offences then it should absolutely be done without fear of offending 99% of people. I don’t know why you need examples to believe that these things happen. It’s 2025, anything can happen to anybody.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 04/05/2025 12:18

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 04/05/2025 12:16

So, this is slightly off track, but:

Is there anything, any evidence at all, that anyone in the world could point to, that would make you change your mind? Because people have been providing evidence left, right and centre, and you dismiss it as “not something you have ever seen and/or heard of.”

What I mean is, you have clearly made up your mind based only on things that you have personally seen and heard. You do not seem to want to acknowledge that other people have seen and heard different things. So, is there anything that anyone could say here that would make you change your mind? Or would you have to personally experience being raped by a trans woman in a single-sex women’s hospital ward, and be told by the hospital that you couldn’t have been raped because there were no men in the ward?

I just don’t understand how you can profess to be the religion that I presume you are, and have so little compassion for other people.

I should add, that example was not hyperbole. It happened on an NHS hospital ward. It took the woman years to get the CCTV footage to prove she had been raped, because the hospital policy was to insist that it was illegal to tell her that there was a trans-identified man on her ward.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 04/05/2025 12:18

facts6754 · 03/05/2025 22:22

Oh for gods sake… do you really think people would MEDICALLY TRANSITION and go through YEARS of medical and social transitioning to assault women???? it doesnt stop cis men from doing it so i want whatever you guys are smoking.

In the face of considerable evidence, it's you who seem to be off your head frankly. But at least the tide is turning and people are seeing through the bullshit now.

DefineHappy · 04/05/2025 12:19

RedToothBrush · 04/05/2025 11:39

It's already been explained to you several times that this has been legally tested and has been deemed unlawful.

Are you having trouble with comprehension skills?

YOU can plan to do whatever you fucking like, but your suggestion is not possible in practice whether you like it or not.

You are going to have to come up with an alternative solution, which unfortunately includes males who have not undergone any medical transition at all. And therein lies the problem for women.

Yes - the solution would also have to include those transpeople who quite proudly reveal that they have kept their penis and added a “neovagina”…

Would be interested to see how categorisation works there…

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 12:19

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 04/05/2025 12:13

In what way? Exactly.

And by 'fully transitioned' please explain what you mean so we know we're all on the same page.

Penis and testes removed, breast implants, and longterm oestrogen therapy that's enough to feminise the man. We have all seen photographs of men post-therapy who look just like women.

Like this one: Navya Singh, a TW and competitor in Miss Universe India.

JK Rowlings latest tweet. Just wow!
KnottyAuty · 04/05/2025 12:21

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 12:11

Because of how they dress?

How else can you tell when you pass them in the toilets?

Don't be daft - it is the handbag that always gives the game away LOL

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