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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Amendment to Data Bill to revert all gender markers and out all trans people

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bluegoldflow · 02/05/2025 22:07

Hoping this passes, it shouldn't be possible to change your sex (a biological impossibility) on legal documents. This would prevent men using this loop hole to erase their past identities and stop male crimes being recorded as female crimes.

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Shortshriftandlethal · 10/05/2025 13:55

TotallyExhaustingRighteousFanatics · 10/05/2025 13:48

@LadyChillT Therefore if you're angry actively target the men committing the crimes and not the innocent girls jist trying to live a peaceful life

You talk about your safety being impacted yet here you are attacking innocent girls and feel you have the right to make them feel the same way Men dressing up as women (claiming to be trans) make you feel 👏 Well done, well thought out, you're a bring spark aren't you, your logic is flawless 👏

It is not just about crimes. It is about the privacy and dignity of one's sex. If you are male, you are not female and you do not belong in spaces that have been set aside for the dignity and privacy of female people. Being female, a woman, is predicated on biology...not on feelings or assumed 'identity', let alone clothing and hairstyle.

A little bit of identifying with women, rather than as women would go some way to displaying empathy with why we have single sex spaces in the first place.

HouseOfGoldandBones · 10/05/2025 13:57

TruthInTransition · 05/05/2025 07:13

It's deeply unfair and dangerous to judge an entire community based on the actions of a few individuals. When someone commits a crime, they—and only they—should be held responsible. No one blames all cis women for the crimes of one (Nicola Murray for Child Abuse) to be like-minded, so why is it acceptable to do that to trans women?

Weaponizing the actions of a few people (some of whom may not even be genuinely trans) to smear thousands of innocent trans women who are simply trying to live their lives is nothing short of bigotry. It's the same flawed logic that has fueled racism, sexism, and homophobia for generations.

If you're truly concerned about justice and safety, focus on the individuals committing the crimes—not on tarring an entire group. Blanket assumptions like yours aren’t protecting anyone; they’re just spreading fear and hate.

Trans women are not a threat to cis women. Bigotry, misinformation, and scapegoating are the real threats to a fair and compassionate society.

What’s worse is that anti-trans activists are now pushing for our birth sex to be listed on official documents, which would effectively out trans women in every public setting—at work, at the doctor’s, when travelling, even at a checkout counter. This is a direct violation of our right to privacy and safety. The Equality Act exists to protect us from exactly this kind of discrimination, yet some are working to undermine it under the guise of 'safety'—while actually putting us in harm’s way. Heres a rhetorical question and try to be honest with yourselves

Let me ask a rhetorical question—and I urge you to answer it honestly in your heart:

How many of you have ever truly known, spoken to, or spent time with a trans woman who simply wants to live her life like any other woman? How many of you genuinely understand the emotional, social, and physical toll we endure just to exist peacefully in a world that questions our humanity at every turn?

The word “woman” is not a threat. It is not a battleground. It is a shared identity that reflects a lived experience—and trans women, like all women, navigate life through a lens shaped by society, by gender, and often by adversity. The fear some people express over trans women using the term "woman" reveals not a concern for safety but a deep-rooted discomfort with inclusion and equality. That discomfort is not our burden to carry.

This widespread misunderstanding needs to be addressed clearly: when trans women identify as women, we are not claiming to be cisgender. We are not attempting to erase biological distinctions, nor are we trying to appropriate someone else’s identity. We are simply stating the truth of our own lived realities. We are trans women—and we are proud of that fact.

We are not asking for special treatment. We are demanding basic human decency. The right to live authentically. The right to be recognized accurately. The right not to be misgendered or dismissed because of ignorance or prejudice.

To consistently refer to us as men is not only deeply disrespectful—it is discriminatory. It is a conscious choice to invalidate our identities and erase our humanity. If you refuse to acknowledge us as trans women, you are not just disagreeing—you are actively engaging in dehumanization.

This isn’t a matter of opinion. This is about dignity, safety, and truth. If your advocacy for women’s rights excludes trans women, then it is not truly about equality—it is about gatekeeping. And if your language reduces us to something we are not, then it’s not just wrong. It’s dangerous.

A just society is one that listens, learns, and evolves. It doesn’t cling to outdated fears; it builds a future where everyone—cis, trans, or otherwise—can live with respect, safety, and equality.

This is a thread discussing whether official dicumentation should record facts.

I'm a little confused what connection any of your thread has to that.

TotallyExhaustingRighteousFanatics · 10/05/2025 14:01

Datun · 05/05/2025 08:07

A cis woman is what transactivists like to call women. As in transwomen and cis women.

It's the pretence that there are two kinds of women.

@Datun Another uneducated comment, you really need to research before posting Both Cis and Trans exist and they are widely used in scientific contexts. Why dont you actually do a little research. They identify the differences between Cis gender a woman born as the gender they identify as and Trans Woman a woman born with the gender they don't identify as, I'd explain in detail but I doubt you'd have the intellectual brain power to understand as people like you believe only in social constructs, and unaware of the objective reality due to how narrow minded you are

Woman is a universal term Period

Cis - Woman (Biological Born)
Trans - Woman (Non Biological Born)
Intersex Woman

It doesn't matter which you are these are all woman and you need to get over that fact

No Tran woman wants to be a Cis Woman, No one wants your identify get over yourself you really aren't that special, GROW UP

GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen · 10/05/2025 14:01

"innocent girls" amazing how they are always girls nevermind that last week they were a 50 year old man, this week they are a 'girl'. I suppose if if believe you can change your sex it's not too much of a leap to believe you can also change your age.

TheKeatingFive · 10/05/2025 14:03

TotallyExhaustingRighteousFanatics · 10/05/2025 14:01

@Datun Another uneducated comment, you really need to research before posting Both Cis and Trans exist and they are widely used in scientific contexts. Why dont you actually do a little research. They identify the differences between Cis gender a woman born as the gender they identify as and Trans Woman a woman born with the gender they don't identify as, I'd explain in detail but I doubt you'd have the intellectual brain power to understand as people like you believe only in social constructs, and unaware of the objective reality due to how narrow minded you are

Woman is a universal term Period

Cis - Woman (Biological Born)
Trans - Woman (Non Biological Born)
Intersex Woman

It doesn't matter which you are these are all woman and you need to get over that fact

No Tran woman wants to be a Cis Woman, No one wants your identify get over yourself you really aren't that special, GROW UP

They really aren't. This hokum only appeared in the last few years.

There is no need for actual women to be reduced to a sub set of their own category.

Call a spade a spade (transwomen are men) and your pretzel logic becomes redundant immediately.

TotallyExhaustingRighteousFanatics · 10/05/2025 14:04

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TheKeatingFive · 10/05/2025 14:07

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'That attitude' appears to be stating the truth.

So what your point is, is anyone's guess

Seethlaw · 10/05/2025 14:07

TotallyExhaustingRighteousFanatics · 10/05/2025 14:01

@Datun Another uneducated comment, you really need to research before posting Both Cis and Trans exist and they are widely used in scientific contexts. Why dont you actually do a little research. They identify the differences between Cis gender a woman born as the gender they identify as and Trans Woman a woman born with the gender they don't identify as, I'd explain in detail but I doubt you'd have the intellectual brain power to understand as people like you believe only in social constructs, and unaware of the objective reality due to how narrow minded you are

Woman is a universal term Period

Cis - Woman (Biological Born)
Trans - Woman (Non Biological Born)
Intersex Woman

It doesn't matter which you are these are all woman and you need to get over that fact

No Tran woman wants to be a Cis Woman, No one wants your identify get over yourself you really aren't that special, GROW UP

"Cis gender a woman born as the gender they identify as"

How do you know what any woman you meet identify as? They could identify as agender, non-binary, genderqueer, anything that would make them non-cis and yet not trans either.

GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen · 10/05/2025 14:08

Intersex Woman

Ooops for all your 'education' and so called intellectual power you appear to have missed that that intersex is a term no longer in use. Off you pop and educate yourself about DSDs.

Waitwhat23 · 10/05/2025 14:10

My, the Reddit subs aren't sending their best, are they?

What other ridiculous recycled arguments from 2018 do you think we'll see next? Lady brain scans? Tinkerbell style clapping?

My money is on either the Sex Redefined article or the Redheads argument.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 10/05/2025 14:12

Time for Wendy Cope I think...

Amendment to Data Bill to revert all gender markers and out all trans people
TheKeatingFive · 10/05/2025 14:13

Waitwhat23 · 10/05/2025 14:10

My, the Reddit subs aren't sending their best, are they?

What other ridiculous recycled arguments from 2018 do you think we'll see next? Lady brain scans? Tinkerbell style clapping?

My money is on either the Sex Redefined article or the Redheads argument.

😭

TheKeatingFive · 10/05/2025 14:14

I love the accusation of being 'uneducated' because we haven't imbibed all the drivel from the holy altar of the trans activist priesthood

😂😂😂

Seethlaw · 10/05/2025 14:20

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People like you are making the life of so many trans people so much harder. You also make trans allies, and trans people by extension, look spectacularly stupid and unpleasant.

As a trans person myself, I cringe every time someone like you pops up. So yes, please, go away.

Helleofabore · 10/05/2025 14:31

TotallyExhaustingRighteousFanatics · 10/05/2025 13:48

@LadyChillT Therefore if you're angry actively target the men committing the crimes and not the innocent girls jist trying to live a peaceful life

You talk about your safety being impacted yet here you are attacking innocent girls and feel you have the right to make them feel the same way Men dressing up as women (claiming to be trans) make you feel 👏 Well done, well thought out, you're a bring spark aren't you, your logic is flawless 👏

“attacking innocent girls”?

You mean pointing out that all male people should be treated as having the same risk?

I don’t think you understand logic at all with your current batch of posts.

potpourree · 10/05/2025 14:35

Cis - Woman (Biological Born)

I'm biological born female but obviously we are told that female doesn't mean woman. How do I know if I'm a man or a woman? Can you name one difference, or are they the same?

Obviously this ignorant poster can't name one (non-circular) difference that would determine whether someone is a man or a woman, so it's unlikely this poster knows enough to be able to educate anyone.

sanluca · 10/05/2025 14:39

TotallyExhaustingRighteousFanatics · 10/05/2025 13:48

@LadyChillT Therefore if you're angry actively target the men committing the crimes and not the innocent girls jist trying to live a peaceful life

You talk about your safety being impacted yet here you are attacking innocent girls and feel you have the right to make them feel the same way Men dressing up as women (claiming to be trans) make you feel 👏 Well done, well thought out, you're a bring spark aren't you, your logic is flawless 👏

Your username is fantastic btw, just not sure if you meant to say you are totally exhausting yourself and your allies.

And if the 'girls' you are referring just wanted to live their lives then there is always accepting the gender neutral options for facilities and services and stop harassing women who don't want mixed sex. That would go a long way to letting everyone just live their lives.

FeministUnderTheCatriarchy · 10/05/2025 14:41

TotallyExhaustingRighteousFanatics · 10/05/2025 13:21

@FeministUnderTheCatriarchy Says the person using ChatGPT 😂 nice try but come up with something original

It tracks that someone with your viewpoints can't recognise authenticity.

potpourree · 10/05/2025 14:44

Have to say, it is always reassuring to be presented with the opposite position and it's incoherent, angry, dishonest and illiterate.

Let Them Speak is great for GC women. Less good for people with gender dysphoria - but clearly they don't care who they shit on (although obviously better if they're female! )

sanluca · 10/05/2025 14:45

potpourree · 10/05/2025 14:35

Cis - Woman (Biological Born)

I'm biological born female but obviously we are told that female doesn't mean woman. How do I know if I'm a man or a woman? Can you name one difference, or are they the same?

Obviously this ignorant poster can't name one (non-circular) difference that would determine whether someone is a man or a woman, so it's unlikely this poster knows enough to be able to educate anyone.

Indeed. How do I know I am a woman gender? Maybe someone can provide a description?

I don't identify as anything, I am female, I am not very feminine, but sometimes I do wear dresses in the summer. I am wizz at DIY, work in a male dominated environment, birthed two children, which is the only good thing about my female body. So @TotallyExhaustingRighteousFanaticsam I cis, trans, a woman or a man or non binary? Label me and explain to me why the label is correct

potpourree · 10/05/2025 14:50

I'm coming to the conclusion that to TRAs, men and women are simultaneously completely different yet also the same. Just like sex and gender identity are.

Shortshriftandlethal · 10/05/2025 15:29

TotallyExhaustingRighteousFanatics · 10/05/2025 14:01

@Datun Another uneducated comment, you really need to research before posting Both Cis and Trans exist and they are widely used in scientific contexts. Why dont you actually do a little research. They identify the differences between Cis gender a woman born as the gender they identify as and Trans Woman a woman born with the gender they don't identify as, I'd explain in detail but I doubt you'd have the intellectual brain power to understand as people like you believe only in social constructs, and unaware of the objective reality due to how narrow minded you are

Woman is a universal term Period

Cis - Woman (Biological Born)
Trans - Woman (Non Biological Born)
Intersex Woman

It doesn't matter which you are these are all woman and you need to get over that fact

No Tran woman wants to be a Cis Woman, No one wants your identify get over yourself you really aren't that special, GROW UP

Nobody is born with a gender...they are born with a sex. Sex is not something you "believe" in, it just is. It is a demonstrable and measurable physical reality

Cis' and 'trans' exist only as concepts within a wider ideological framework - so it is ironic you are accusing others of "beliveing only in social constructs".

You sound confused to be honest, as well as very disrespectful of others. If you 'identify as' a woman, then you are male by definition. You are a category of 'man' not of 'woman'. There are a lot of well educated and erudite people here who certainly do not need to " grow up".

A woman has an objective and measurable reality that is commonly understood and rcognised the world over. A 'Trans woman' is only a woman if other people believe that they are...and most people don't.

The reason you feel so threatened is because your 'existence' appears to be entirely dependent on other people conforming and Kow-towing to you. And you don't sound at all "innocent" or 'nice' either.

NecessaryScene · 10/05/2025 15:33

Label me and explain to me why the label is correct

And explain to us why any of us should care about her label, but not her sex.

Merrymouse · 10/05/2025 16:03

TotallyExhaustingRighteousFanatics · 10/05/2025 14:01

@Datun Another uneducated comment, you really need to research before posting Both Cis and Trans exist and they are widely used in scientific contexts. Why dont you actually do a little research. They identify the differences between Cis gender a woman born as the gender they identify as and Trans Woman a woman born with the gender they don't identify as, I'd explain in detail but I doubt you'd have the intellectual brain power to understand as people like you believe only in social constructs, and unaware of the objective reality due to how narrow minded you are

Woman is a universal term Period

Cis - Woman (Biological Born)
Trans - Woman (Non Biological Born)
Intersex Woman

It doesn't matter which you are these are all woman and you need to get over that fact

No Tran woman wants to be a Cis Woman, No one wants your identify get over yourself you really aren't that special, GROW UP

What does ‘agender’ mean, and is somebody who describes themself as such ‘cis’ or ‘trans’?

Merrymouse · 10/05/2025 16:08

Also, what do you mean by intersex woman? Are they not ‘biological born?’

Using these definitions, are you excluding ‘biological born’ women who don’t identify as women?