Nursery Pride face painting

[insomniaclife]

Went to pick up three year old from nursery.
Staff and all kids in her class had rainbows painted on their faces.
“nice rainbows” I said. Staff said “we’re celebrating Pride”.

Is this normal? The timing seems odd - it’s not Pride week is it?

It’s such a tokenisation approach to diversity. Colouring in pictures of a bus doesn’t help children learn about the world around them or that there are different cultures/abilities/family structures. It’s just box ticking and doesn’t help anyone.

If all TWAW (according to Stonewall and co) and all it takes to be a transwoman is to simply say you are, that’s what it comes down to.

TBF, the dick is irrelevant. Transwomen are men. Lesbians are attracted to women. Where is the social prejudice?

Have you ever wonder why isn’t the same pressure, vitriol and rhetoric directed to gay men?

There are three sets of lesbian parents at my daughter's nursery. No gay parents atm but there have been. SW London so maybe not entirely representative but still.

Sorry but I disagree. There is nothing wrong with the concept of PRIDE. We are celebrating and acknowledging diversity, in a world where mental health matters. LGBTQ communities are at the highest risk of stigma, MH difficulties, victims of crime, and need our support instead of being singled out, which can have detrimental effects on their MH and matching consequence's. Children today need to recognise this diversity, society needs to become more aware and more accepting towards it, after all these people are not another 'species'. Lots of children's parents can be of the same sex, and children need to become aware of this and to know it is ok, otherwise we risk 'othering' the LGBTQ community - ie seeing them as strange instead of normality, to prevent stigma.

I’m sorry you disagree.
My children know of and are fully accepting of same sex relationships and certainly don’t think they have MH conditions. Love is Love and I’ve no issue with explaining reality to them.

But, I will never, ever allow anyone to tell them that the mental health of people who choose to claim they’ve changed their sex is acceptable nor normal.

Trans people have ‘othered’ themselves and perhaps they should look to themselves if they want to avoid being stigmatised.

This.

There are many people who would disagree that the promotion of lgbtqi sexuality to young children will help their mental health.

I'd suggest this is terrible for children's mental health and young people's mental health is declining as promotion of these beliefs increases.

With lgbtqi identifying kids having the worst mental health as you say, despite society being more accepting than ever.

There is zero evidence that promotion of lgbtqi improves mental health and lots of evidence suggesting it is undermining it.

You only have to meet some of the young people caught up in this movement to see the devastating impact. They are frequently confused irrational avoidant and fearful with a list of mental health diagnoses.

Yet this is all still sold as kindness.

Most gay people are normal apart from being gay and are quite happy with kids being normal and seeing normality. Nirmality isn't bad. They don't need celebrating, or 3 year olds to have their face painted to support their cause.

The people who want this want there to be no normal.
That's the Q.

For goodness sake. People can love who they wish and good luck to them. But pride is political and has no.place in schools.

You go first: where has the morphing of the political gay rights struggle into an institutionalised LGBTQ orthodoxy taken us over the past 10+ years? Have you seen any downsides?

I am very surprised to see people not realising that Pride is political. And that people who are against celebrating anything political in nursery are being shamed.

Your lack of knowledge in this area!
How have they 'othered' themselves? We, as a collective society have 'othered'/singled them out, they haven't done it to themselves. Do you think they woke up one day and thought "Oh I know, I want to start making my own life miserable"?
After all, the whole concept is based on what is normal is it not? Can you define normal? Who are we to say what is normal? Normality is a socially constructed concept, which is what this is all about. I think you will find that more and more people are becoming part of the LGBTQ community, which is going against original 'old fashioned' perceptions of normality, meaning LGBTQ people are becoming more common = it is becoming more 'normal'.
What is wrong in acknowledging this? I fail to see the harm.
What if your child became LGBTQ, would you support or throw them out?
The MH aspect I meant stigmatisation etc can lead LGBTQ people to become depressed/suicidal etc.
LGBTQ isn't just trans, it's lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans, queer, BDSM, kink which is all PRIDE. People have different desires, and just because they don't share the same desires as you it doesn't mean they should be stigmatised and receive all the negative consequences that come with that. Recognition of this will help prevent that.

I am talking about the MH of the LGBTQ community, not the MH of the children in nursery/school learning about it. I thought that was clear in my original OP?

@MissyPants I think that’s a decent summary of queer theory thinking, and entirely your right to hold and to promote.

But children are not billboards to paint ideas we promote onto. That’s not the proper role of a nursery school.

LGBTQ isn't just trans, it's lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans, queer, BDSM, kink which is all PRIDE. People have different desires, and just because they don't share the same desires as you it doesn't mean they should be stigmatised and receive all the negative consequences that come with that.

Just a reminder, we are talking about toddlers in a nursery. This is where you're meant to say "calm down dear, it's just about families with two mums", instead of saying the quiet bit out loud about bondage and "kink" and "different desires". Do you have kids?

I was just pointing out all of the categories that PRIDE covers in general. A poster seemed to have a problem just with trans people which isn't only what pride is about.
By different desires I mean desire to be trans/lesbian/gay etc as people are into different things.

So, now that you've explained it like that, do you feel like it seems like an appropriate nursery event? Do you have kids?

This.

It's a nursery. It's bonkers if it's part of Ofsted.

It categorically isn’t what Ofsted require.

A nursery shouldn’t be political.

LGBTQ isn't just trans, it's lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans, queer, BDSM, kink which is all PRIDE.

And 3 year olds should celebrate that?

This.

Being gay /a lesbian is not about having a desire to be so ffs.

Regardless, we’re talking about toddlers , there’s no need for them to know about desires and what other people are into , particularly not bdsm, kink etc. or to “celebrate” it or to be used as billboards for a political cause(no matter what the cause is).

Obviously my replies are more directed towards the movement, not the nursery setting. I don't expect nursery children/school children to learn about kink etc, that wasn't what I was getting at at all.
It seems I have missed the point of the thread entirely and I raise my hands to this.

When three year olds see ‘pride’ advertised outside nursery with all its bright colours lobbying for BSDM, Kink, fetish and sexual desire why would they not think it is for them when nursery have had them celebrating it?