Interim guidance from EHRC is out

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It was, Mermaids didn't like the LGB alliance focusing on souly LGB.

The judge pointed out if the ability to separate wasn't there Mermaids also couldn't exist, being only T focused.

I’m sorry if it seemed an unhelpful answer, but I think asking me to define masculinity and femininity is a bit silly, I think we all have a reasonably good idea of what those terms refer to.

Then it's an easy thing for you to answer.

Yep

We are specifically talking about what is permitted under the EA. I can’t see any reference to that Act in the tribunal decision

It was raised. I believe this has been answered in court.

If it was contradictory to any act, the charity commission would have said that LGB alliance had to be LGBT alliance.

The concept of gender non-conforming presentation and behaviour is completely asymmetrical for men and women though.

Being same sex attracted is intrinsically gender non conforming, but opposite sex attracted trans women are not an insignificant group. (Don't know if there has very been analysis of the split between homosexual and heterosexual trans women - might be difficult if the definitions aren't clearly defined)

It is clear that some people believe they have a gender identity, just as some people believe they have an immortal soul. However, it's still a subjective concept.

Just because we all have a sense of what terms mean doesn’t mean it’s easy to explain it to someone as if they didn’t know. It would take me a while to explain ‘justice’ or “love”, doesn’t mean they don’t exist

It has, but not in the wake of the Supreme Court judgment.

Please point me to the relevant paragraph of the decision

But masculinity and femininity mean different things to different people and in different cultures and eras.

Then how will this be defined in any kind of meaningful way in law.

🤷 You can't even explain it right now.

Yes….. but the Supreme Court judgement didn’t change the existing law

Not today.

It's amazing what suddenly becomes "oh so complicated" when it's discussing women retaining rights, keeping men out of women's spaces and safeguarding children.
Fortunately the SC has spoken. Unfortunately the rest of us will be subject to the ramblings of adults who suddenly have major problems with definitions that society has always understood.

It's tedious.

this all makes sense. I don’t personally believe in a gender identity akin to an immortal soul

So in your view, masculinity and femininity are gender identities? And that's it?

In my view, like many feminists, masculinity and femininity represent harmful "gendered" sex-role stereotypes where one (masculinity) is dominant over the other (femininity). We don't choose them, they are forced upon us, and they are the means by which women continue to be oppressed in society.

See, it's not hard to define your terms.

If you're positing these words or ideas as categories then I'd like to hear your definition of them. I dont know which I fit in, until you do.

we seem to have gone off on a tangent. We weren’t talking about defining gender in law, we were discussing why LGBT associations exist

Ah, but this doesn't mean a great deal if everyone is using these terms to mean different things.

Being a woman is an important part of my identity but it is sex based, not gender based. I can't think of a single way in which womanhood forms a part of my identity which isn't directly related to my female biology. As such, I don't feel that I have a gender identity and although I accept that others do, I don't really understand what one is.

I have no idea what trans women are identifying with but I am crystal clear about the fact that we don't share any kind of identity.

I'm extremely wary of any attempt to say that we all have a gender identity because this leads us back down the path of women and trans women being considered a coherent grouping, which in my view it isn't.

We were talking about the concepts of masculinity and femininity, they aren’t categories that you fit into or not?

Well that explains that.
I've just sent mine of to change details.

Zero point in having M/F on an official document if its a piece of fiction.

It's not that I don't know. It's that they are totally subjective and arbitrary and changeable terms. We cannot base legislation on such vague concepts. We have to be able to describe things in terms that have stable and understood meanings.

Surely that depends what they are?

Well trans people seem to think they are?