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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

'Protect the Dolls' - doesn't that just say it all?

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Lottapianos · 25/04/2025 16:42

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Pedro Pascal has called JK Rowling a 'heinous loser' - lovely. She can add that to 'bitch', 'fascist' and all the other offensive thoughtless nonsense that has been thrown at her

He was recently photographed wearing a t shirt that says 'Protect The Dolls'. Apparently 'dolls' is an 'affectionate' term for men who identify as trans within some parts of the LGBTQetc community

If ever we had any doubt that trans women were a sexualized fantasy version of what a woman actually is, doubt no more. How utterly grim

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PersephoneSeethes · 26/04/2025 11:01

INeedAPensieve · 26/04/2025 10:42

Ah thanks both, she was great in Game of Thrones. That's a shame she's been bullied and abused online. That would be a whole other thread though; about the misogynistic, sexist and frankly, creepy behaviour of male gamers and the gaming "community" as a whole.

It's not a surprise then that's she struggling with her identity and also autistic. Seems to go hand in hand; something Hilary Cass discusses at length in her Cass report. This movement is so sexist and awful but also harmful to vulnerable young people.

Someone up thread got it right; he can support his younger sibling without attacking women's rights. That he is choosing to do so is very telling and also disappointing. Men need to accept a wider spectrum of manhood and masculinity, not push it onto women. Dress, wear, be whatever you like but don't force others to have to do something they aren't comfortable with.

Agree with everything.

PersephoneSeethes · 26/04/2025 11:05

BabyOrca · 26/04/2025 11:00

I'm adding this image which I first saw on MN a few days ago and think it needs another airing here

Thanks, I was going to write out his quotes but didn’t wish to offend anyone more sensitive. Andrea Long Chu is repellent, how he has won a Pulitzer for this says something about how far liberal America has gone, has fallen?

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 26/04/2025 11:25

Riversof0tter5 · 26/04/2025 02:34

Pedro Pascal voices and often acts as Din Djarin in The Mandalorian.

I'd rather lose the Potterverse than Star Wars if forced to pick.

I don't know why people in the creative arts are so involved in politics nowadays.

Why would we 'lose' either of them? Besides, Pedro Pascal, though a popular actor of a currently popular character, is still only one small cog in the vast (and unfortunately increasingly diluted and mediocre) behemoth of multimedia content that is Star Wars, whose contribution to this particular political debate seems to be to throw a couple of insults and wear a t-shirt. JKR on the other hand...

ohdearagain2 · 26/04/2025 11:30

I wondered about this slogan too ... dolls are fake replicates of girls and women - often designed by men to not be true representations of females. Bit confused why that's an ideal transwomen think its great to be associated with - I would have thought its an insult for people who want to be seen as 'real' women?

INeedAPensieve · 26/04/2025 11:55

@BabyOrca thanks that's an awful image but at the same time very revealing about what these people really feel about women. No wonder we don't want them in our spaces!!! It's beyond sick.

PersephoneSeethes · 26/04/2025 12:01

RethinkingLife · 26/04/2025 09:57

The slogan gives me the creeps.

Not because of the decades of referring to women as dollybirds to justify the post WW2 ‘back to the home and leave your jobs for the men’. Not even the way that it shored up different pay scales for the same job.

My immediate association is with PD James’ Children of Men. I had a visceral reaction to the scenes where the childless women cared for dolls, taking them out for walks in prams, celebrating their birthdays. It was a large scale immersive fiction to cope with the global catastrophic collapse in fertility and the imminent end of humans as a species.

Oh that’s food for thought!

PersephoneSeethes · 26/04/2025 12:11

Helleofabore · 26/04/2025 04:14

I think some celebrities were targeted with t shirts to take images of themselves on social media.

Tilda Swinton has one too.

The dolls element of this is very creepy actually. It portrays some female people as being more fragile, dressable and beautiful than the rest. Also, then conversely plastic, unchangeable, fuckable (shall we post the words of Long Chu about blank eyes etc), needing manipulating, needing care, being unable to say no to inappropriate behaviour, no intelligence, needing decisions made for them and on and on and on. I mean, I can see the similarities with what I read about sissy porn. It is not that hard.

Also there is the child element.

I really don’t think the group who started this campaign thought this through. And these celebrities should have stopped and thought too. Rather than unthinkingly donning on this apparel and announcing to the world that they are unable to see boundary issues with this campaign.

Exactly, very well put. I think they thought it looks good on a T-shirt, and that’s it. Many of these fashion types are like that, they rake around a little in the convenient history books or listen to some half baked ‘expert’ and run with it.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 26/04/2025 12:11

“Protect the dolls

actual women can fuck off”

we’re just not human to them

PersephoneSeethes · 26/04/2025 12:20

Justwrong68 · 26/04/2025 09:31

This is upsetting. She was denouncing pronoun nonsense before…

I was going to espouse the phase about uneducated actors and actresses but she went to Cambridge; she’s also a dyed in the wool communist and they are very much sex realist-types.

AquaFawn · 26/04/2025 12:21

Just another one on the list to avoid, you can go off people very quickly.

SquirrelSoShiny · 26/04/2025 12:31

BabyOrca · 26/04/2025 11:00

I'm adding this image which I first saw on MN a few days ago and think it needs another airing here

These creatures disgust me at a visceral level and is nothing to do with their alleged 'trans' nature. It's the disgust I would feel for any creepy man parading kink in public. See also leather dogs getting 'petted' by small children in 'pride' parades.

There is no longer any pride in Pride to be honest. I literally don't know any gays or lesbians (friends or family members) living 'normal' lives who attend Pride now. It has become the preserve of fetishists, exhibitionists, handmaidens, beardy woke bros ('I'm your friendly local feminist nice guy - just don't check my laptop or chat logs!' ) and excitable teens cos-playing as 'queer' because straight is sooooo vanilla.

PersephoneSeethes · 26/04/2025 12:46

SquirrelSoShiny · 26/04/2025 12:31

These creatures disgust me at a visceral level and is nothing to do with their alleged 'trans' nature. It's the disgust I would feel for any creepy man parading kink in public. See also leather dogs getting 'petted' by small children in 'pride' parades.

There is no longer any pride in Pride to be honest. I literally don't know any gays or lesbians (friends or family members) living 'normal' lives who attend Pride now. It has become the preserve of fetishists, exhibitionists, handmaidens, beardy woke bros ('I'm your friendly local feminist nice guy - just don't check my laptop or chat logs!' ) and excitable teens cos-playing as 'queer' because straight is sooooo vanilla.

Thank you! This describes some family members who always try to guilt trip my husband and I into taking our children to Pride events when we say no, thanks.

‘handmaidens, beardy woke bros ('I'm your friendly local feminist nice guy - just don't check my laptop or chat logs!' ) and excitable teens cos-playing as 'queer' because straight is sooooo vanilla.’

This is them and their friends in a nutshell. They give me the creeps, not actual gay and lesbian people.

TrainedByCats · 26/04/2025 12:55

ProtectTheDolls is simply a more pornified misogynist version of BeKind isn’t it

MistyGreenAndBlue · 26/04/2025 12:59

sadmillenial · 26/04/2025 01:25

if you are going to criticise then at least look up the relevant history!
Dolls is a term from 70s/80s LGBTQ+ ballroom culture that was used affectionately, but there isn't a single person I know of who is using it now to describe the entire community!
If we can say "bears", "twinks", "otters", "lipstick", "butch" etc without any pearl clutching then we can have "dolls".... get over it

There was no LGBTQ+ in the '70s and '80s.
I know 'cos I was there. Just the gays and lesbians back then. Not even the bi were much acknowledged then. And Transsexuals and transvestites were a separate thing. From gays and from each other.

Sweetpea333 · 26/04/2025 13:01

Dolls is the perfect term for them. Dolls are not real, neither are women with cocks!

Katkins17 · 26/04/2025 13:11

Anyone who believes a pornified version of a woman is not offensive is a sycophantic twat who really doesn’t understand the misogyny of this whole cult.

TheCatsTongue · 26/04/2025 13:23

Gina Carano starred in The Mandolarian alongside Pedro Pascal, she was a cage-fighter previously.

She was sacked by Disney because she was an open Republican (and claimed to face discrimination), but she was previously heavily pressurised into putting pronouns on her social media profile and so she put "blip/bloop". Basically she didn't fit Hollywood.

I think Pascal was heavily involved, particularly around the pressure with the pronouns.

PersephoneSeethes · 26/04/2025 13:26

Katkins17 · 26/04/2025 13:11

Anyone who believes a pornified version of a woman is not offensive is a sycophantic twat who really doesn’t understand the misogyny of this whole cult.

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TheCatsTongue · 26/04/2025 13:35

In regards to Bella Ramsey, I believe that she is a lesbian, but again seems to be living under current societal pressures to self-describe as non-binary and use "theythem" pronouns instead.

It's strange that real lesbians feel pressurised not to use that term whilst men are desperate to use that term to describe themselves.

PersephoneSeethes · 26/04/2025 13:39

TheCatsTongue · 26/04/2025 13:23

Gina Carano starred in The Mandolarian alongside Pedro Pascal, she was a cage-fighter previously.

She was sacked by Disney because she was an open Republican (and claimed to face discrimination), but she was previously heavily pressurised into putting pronouns on her social media profile and so she put "blip/bloop". Basically she didn't fit Hollywood.

I think Pascal was heavily involved, particularly around the pressure with the pronouns.

Oh wow, I don’t know of her but that’s a shame. I really dislike compelled speech.

PersephoneSeethes · 26/04/2025 13:43

TheCatsTongue · 26/04/2025 13:35

In regards to Bella Ramsey, I believe that she is a lesbian, but again seems to be living under current societal pressures to self-describe as non-binary and use "theythem" pronouns instead.

It's strange that real lesbians feel pressurised not to use that term whilst men are desperate to use that term to describe themselves.

Indeed. I mean, look at poor Ellen Page. I put whatever has happened to her fully on Hollywood’s homophobic/lesbophobic doormat.

Riversof0tter5 · 26/04/2025 13:54

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 26/04/2025 11:25

Why would we 'lose' either of them? Besides, Pedro Pascal, though a popular actor of a currently popular character, is still only one small cog in the vast (and unfortunately increasingly diluted and mediocre) behemoth of multimedia content that is Star Wars, whose contribution to this particular political debate seems to be to throw a couple of insults and wear a t-shirt. JKR on the other hand...

It was a thought experiment. Like Desert Island Discs.

Riversof0tter5 · 26/04/2025 13:58

PersephoneSeethes · 26/04/2025 10:50

Blame Elvis, he probably started it.
Star Wars vs Potter, please.

It would be great to see Snape vs a Jedi then teaming up with them against the Sith tbh.

(Elvis wasn't an original anything. Rip-off.)

Doubtmyselff · 26/04/2025 14:16

TheCatsTongue · 26/04/2025 13:23

Gina Carano starred in The Mandolarian alongside Pedro Pascal, she was a cage-fighter previously.

She was sacked by Disney because she was an open Republican (and claimed to face discrimination), but she was previously heavily pressurised into putting pronouns on her social media profile and so she put "blip/bloop". Basically she didn't fit Hollywood.

I think Pascal was heavily involved, particularly around the pressure with the pronouns.

Oh for fucks sake, she posted anti semitic bullshit online, she trivialized the Holocaust, it has nothing to do with 'being an open Republican' , Loads of actors are 'open Republican' and haven't been cancelled, Frasier 'Kelsey Grammer' has never been cancelled , Arnie 'I'll be back' has never been cancelled , same as Clint Eastwood whose always been a hard right Republican.

There's a line and Gina crossed it.

bathofbeans · 26/04/2025 14:36

BabyOrca · 26/04/2025 11:00

I'm adding this image which I first saw on MN a few days ago and think it needs another airing here

Sick fucking wankers each and every one of them.