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'Protect the Dolls' - doesn't that just say it all?

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Lottapianos · 25/04/2025 16:42

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/apr/25/pedro-pascal-calls-jk-rowling-harry-potter-supreme-court-gender-ruling www.theguardian.com/film/2025/apr/25/pedro-pascal-calls-jk-rowling-harry-potter-supreme-court-gender-ruling]]]]

Pedro Pascal has called JK Rowling a 'heinous loser' - lovely. She can add that to 'bitch', 'fascist' and all the other offensive thoughtless nonsense that has been thrown at her

He was recently photographed wearing a t shirt that says 'Protect The Dolls'. Apparently 'dolls' is an 'affectionate' term for men who identify as trans within some parts of the LGBTQetc community

If ever we had any doubt that trans women were a sexualized fantasy version of what a woman actually is, doubt no more. How utterly grim

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PersephoneSeethes · 26/04/2025 15:04

Doubtmyselff · 26/04/2025 14:16

Oh for fucks sake, she posted anti semitic bullshit online, she trivialized the Holocaust, it has nothing to do with 'being an open Republican' , Loads of actors are 'open Republican' and haven't been cancelled, Frasier 'Kelsey Grammer' has never been cancelled , Arnie 'I'll be back' has never been cancelled , same as Clint Eastwood whose always been a hard right Republican.

There's a line and Gina crossed it.

Ok. Thanks for clarifying. Can I take back my comment in support of her now?

TheCatsTongue · 26/04/2025 15:57

Doubtmyselff · 26/04/2025 14:16

Oh for fucks sake, she posted anti semitic bullshit online, she trivialized the Holocaust, it has nothing to do with 'being an open Republican' , Loads of actors are 'open Republican' and haven't been cancelled, Frasier 'Kelsey Grammer' has never been cancelled , Arnie 'I'll be back' has never been cancelled , same as Clint Eastwood whose always been a hard right Republican.

There's a line and Gina crossed it.

Her comments were:

“Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors…. even by children.”
“Because history is edited, most people today don’t realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views?”

Not really sure how that was anti-Semitic, clumsy comparison, but can hardly be considered hateful.

But then again many TRAs have called JKR anti-Semitic too.

It seemed like an excuse to fire her, particularly as Pascal previously made comparisons about the Holocaust with illegal immigration.

SidewaysOtter · 26/04/2025 17:11

Maybe it's the point, but that t-shirt looks as naff as fuck, like a cheap knock-off.

And as for people lining up to be seen to support regressive gender stereotypes in the name of being liberal/progressive/TRSOH, well, I'm just not surprised.

Castielas · 26/04/2025 17:21

CandyLeBonBon · 26/04/2025 01:51

It’s also a term that was connected with drugs in the 70s. The term doll has always been used as a sexist, demeaning pejorative designed to belittle and diminish women. If transwomen like it, it’s probably because it fits the feminine stereotype we’re all trying to escape. From a female perspective it’s an outdated, regressive term. Hope that helps.

"From a female perspective", as if all women think the same as you.

"Doll" can be used in flirtation or as as a term of endearment. I think it sounds particularly nice when used in a southern US accent personally. You don't like it, that's fine, other women don't mind it at all. But of course women who don't agree with you are poor victims of the misogyny and don't know any better.

BellatrixLeNormal · 26/04/2025 19:20

There’s a song (which I actually rather like as it’s quite catchy) by the band Rachel Stamp (androgynous male lead singer) called I Wanna Be Your Doll and the lyrics go:

“You turn me on
You pump electric thro my body
I am just a shell of flesh since guilt robbed me of my emotion
You can paint my lips
And you can fix my hair up darling
And I will answer to the name you give me
Tintalulah

I wanna be your doll
I wanna be sweet sweet baby
I wanna be your doll
Be your automater masturbater”

So yes “dolls” are very much about a pornified, agency-less ideal of a woman. One in which she is just an orifice or outlet for male desire. Think blow up dolls etc. it is misogynistic and sexist. It’s therefore unsurprising it’s been adopted by the TRA MtF community.

ArabellaScott · 29/04/2025 14:50

I'm not sure the hashtag is going quite the way it was intended, tbh.

Helleofabore · 29/04/2025 15:12

I think that it is an amazing hashtag for sparking clean sunlight!

Shadowsunray · 29/04/2025 15:18

I haven't read the whole tread so apologies if this has been mentioned but #protectthedolls has backfired big time on X. It's worth a look at some of the "dolls".

bathofbeans · 29/04/2025 15:21

Shadowsunray · 29/04/2025 15:18

I haven't read the whole tread so apologies if this has been mentioned but #protectthedolls has backfired big time on X. It's worth a look at some of the "dolls".

I'm not on X.

What kinds of pics are they?

NextRinny · 29/04/2025 15:21

Protect the dolls.
Burn the witches.

3 guesses what sex the dolls and witches are.

Yeah sure... even those wearing the shirts know who to protect and who to burn without looking at any genitals.

Shadowsunray · 29/04/2025 15:28

@bathofbeans Here's a sample....

Shadowsunray · 29/04/2025 15:36

bathofbeans · 29/04/2025 15:21

I'm not on X.

What kinds of pics are they?

The images didn't attach. Think men in revealing underwear with their junk outline visible. Others of rather unattractive men, bad makeup, bad wigs, not in the slightest what you think of when you think dolls. And other images of pictures of TW that have committed crimes.

bathofbeans · 29/04/2025 15:50

Shadowsunray · 29/04/2025 15:36

The images didn't attach. Think men in revealing underwear with their junk outline visible. Others of rather unattractive men, bad makeup, bad wigs, not in the slightest what you think of when you think dolls. And other images of pictures of TW that have committed crimes.

I get the picture.

Yuck

Didactylos · 29/04/2025 22:20

Im afraid it just makes me think of Rab C Nesbit and Mary Doll
Which is what half these blokes look like anyway (Rab C for absence of doubt)

TheCatsTongue · 29/04/2025 23:39

I wish organisations like Conde Nast (Vogue, GQ, etc) would ditch the propaganda too. All their publications have posted articles about how great the t-shirt with the usual hyperbolic statements about how evil the Supreme Court is etc.

This is how insidious the movement is that when reading about fashion you have to read articles about trans rights. Lego fan websites contain long articles from random trans women about how evil Lego Harry Potter is, video game sites too etc.

LeftieRightsHoarder · 30/04/2025 01:19

MistyGreenAndBlue · 26/04/2025 12:59

There was no LGBTQ+ in the '70s and '80s.
I know 'cos I was there. Just the gays and lesbians back then. Not even the bi were much acknowledged then. And Transsexuals and transvestites were a separate thing. From gays and from each other.

Exactly. The gay rights movement was about getting lesbians and gay men the same rights that heterosexuals had, eg to marry.

Sex fetishists existed, of course, but they weren’t called ‘stunning and brave’ and definitely were not considered role models for children.

sadmillenial · 30/04/2025 02:59

Merrymouse · 26/04/2025 08:37

If people need to look up the relevant history to understand that a campaigning slogan isn't just sexist, it's not really a great campaigning slogan.

If we are going to go that deep, feminists, including many lesbians, might start pointing out that some parts of male gay culture actually are quite sexist ('fishy'), and don't really survive exposure to daylight.

no argument from me! I think "fishy" is gross, but i dont have an issue with "doll"

Its almost like we cant have blanket rules on vocab for entire groups of people......

CakeBlanchett · 30/04/2025 03:03

sadmillenial · 26/04/2025 01:25

if you are going to criticise then at least look up the relevant history!
Dolls is a term from 70s/80s LGBTQ+ ballroom culture that was used affectionately, but there isn't a single person I know of who is using it now to describe the entire community!
If we can say "bears", "twinks", "otters", "lipstick", "butch" etc without any pearl clutching then we can have "dolls".... get over it

The term “LGBTQ+” did not exist as a unified cultural or political identity in the 1970s and 1980s. Applying it retrospectively is both anachronistic and analytically sloppy. Lesbian, bisexual, and gay male communities often occupied distinct—and at times oppositional—social and political spaces. Many lesbian and gay male venues were single-sex, and while drag culture played a vibrant role in queer nightlife, it was largely understood as performance art, not as an expression of trans identity. This is not to deny moments of profound cross-group solidarity—such as the countless lesbians who cared for gay men dying of AIDS when no one else would—but to recognise that such acts arose despite, not because of, some cohesive “LGBTQ+” framework. The later inclusion of “TQ+” into the acronym is a relatively recent development, and projecting it backward distorts a far more complicated history.

As for the term “dolls”: referencing its origins in 70s–80s ballroom culture—where it functioned as a specific, affirming in-group term among trans women and drag performers—does not exempt it from present-day scrutiny. Language shifts, and so do the power dynamics that shape its usage. When a niche, subcultural term is lifted out of context and applied broadly—especially by those disconnected from its roots—it risks becoming patronising, infantilising, or objectifying. Unlike terms such as “twink” or “butch”, which maintain relatively stable meanings tied to particular identities, “dolls” today often circulates as a vague, stylised shorthand for queerness (read: transness, and specifically, transwomanness) writ large. If we are to invoke history, we must do so with both precision and humility—rather than as a rhetorical shield against legitimate discomfort or dissent.

Delphin · 30/04/2025 10:13

I have just designed a tshirt iron-on. Just the word "woman" on an A 4 page in Bauhaus93 font, 220 pt size, and tricolore green wo, white m, violet an. No other text. Will go on a black T-Shirt.

If they can wear a tshirt so can I. And we don't need the dictionary definition anymore. Grrr.

JeremiahBullfrog · 30/04/2025 10:22

One suspects people's problem with Gina Carano may have been that she is not simply a Republican, but a female Republican.

dapsnotplimsolls · 01/05/2025 22:54

Shadowsunray · 29/04/2025 15:18

I haven't read the whole tread so apologies if this has been mentioned but #protectthedolls has backfired big time on X. It's worth a look at some of the "dolls".

I've just had a look. Dear Lord.

Shadowsunray · 02/05/2025 07:37

I know!! I think it should be required viewing for everyone pushing to give transwomen access to private female spaces. The idea of some of those men in changing rooms with young girls and women is just appalling.

BabyOrca · 02/05/2025 07:49

Any links for those of us without X accounts?!

UrsulasHerbBag · 02/05/2025 07:58

Baby orca I doubt that the images would be allowed to be shown here. They are not the helpful images of “nice, quiet, kind” transwomen that everyone seems to know. These are the other sort that no one ever owns up to existing.

AnnaMagnani · 02/05/2025 08:44

BabyOrca · 02/05/2025 07:49

Any links for those of us without X accounts?!

Really really don't look.

There is not enough brain bleach in all the world.