a list of men or companies who have stood up for us

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Like so many here, I have been disheartened by the lack of support from so many famous men, those I liked and or admired are now and will forever be in my blacklist. Same for companies.
This whole experience has been so hard and I thank all the incredible women who carried on and spoke for us...
However, who are the men who were on our side? Andrew Neil? Piers Morgan? There aren't many but would love to hear some names of those who put women first...

Barry Humphries message to Glinner

That's the 'list system '. It is opaque and dodgy to me? The only real PR is Single Transferable Vote with multi member constituencies. All the candidates you vote for all on the ballot paper. And you keep the constituency link. You'll always get the odd looper - just as with FPTP - but you can vote them out.

Peter Bottomly, Tory MP
I don't think he ever got credited for this, but in that hoc debate where many MP's were behaving in such a vile manner and the Brighton Labour MP (Russell Lloyd something) moved closer to either Miriam Cates or Rosie Duffield to intimidate them, PB moved next to her, not saying anything, to give moral support.
I found it such an honourable thing to do.

Yes, that's the sort of pr I'd support.

I'm not sure this type of black and white thinking really washes with people anymore. The old left i think was so taken over by the far left that anyone in the centre became far right by default. The vast majority of people are centre. It was a trick by the far left to call anyone who didn't agree with them a far right nazi.

Not to blow my own trumpet but he did have some “home guidance” on the matter when building his business case 😉.

For which I must also credit Naomi Cunningham and her article on the risk to companies in following Stonewall law which was a brilliant way to approach the matter.

@user101101
They tend to be right-wing as opposed to left wing. So there should be a separate (shorter) list for left-wing men

Why does there have to be separate lists?

This thread, and others like it, have made me suddenly experience a sympathy for trans men and women that I didn't have before. I thought I didn't understand any of the arguments so just sat on the fence. Not anymore,

I find it hard to feel any degree of sympathy for people who have made a huge effort to masquerade as the opposite sex, then enter the outside world where many sex divisions apply and not expect things to be difficult. It's not like providing disabled facilities and services, because people don't actively bring disability upon themselves (unless through some extreme lifestyle excess). Why should the world be reformed for trans people? Don't govts and councils have greater demands on their resources?

I find it hard to know where to stand on this. My gay sister is all for the T in The acronym but leaves off from watching/reading anything about it and I totally understand her viewpoint. She is yet to see a trans woman in a changing room in front of her little girls though. I think if she took the time to research she’d think differently.

Gone are the days of “transsexuals” who had genuine dysphoria and quietly lived their lives the best they could. The whole concept in now bastardised by fetishists, faddists and attention seekers.

Why not stick to the topic of the thread? There are plenty of others for general discussion.

Who is this aimed at?

You and also the previous 3 posters

We use STV here in Ireland ( Republic ) . I'd never go back to FPTP or any Micky Mouse version of PR that has an opaque party list system. That's wide open to corruption. I had a chat once with a local TD / MP. He was less enthusiastic : ' You sometimes have to wait til the 3rd or 4th count to know if you've been elected!' There's no really safe seats...aw diddums. And STV is actually proportional. 20% of the votes = 20% of the seats or near as dammit.

I notice a few posters eschewing some of the men opposing Trans “rights” as right wing.

In the case of Trump, Johnson and Peterson, they are not maligned as right-wing. They are being called out for their past misogynistic actions and comments (and rape as well, for Trump). It's possible for them to be aware of the material reality where one's birth sex might matter and still be misogynistic.

Regarding the topic of the thread -- I recall that Simon John Edge signed a Sunday Times open letter supporting JKR.

People always say “misogynistic“, but sometimes it just means “traditional”. I do not consider them to be the same things and I don’t like it when the two are conflated. Some right wing or centrist people have some more traditional views on men and women, and I see nothing wrong with that.

By the way, I see nothing wrong with being right wing either, especially as it has come to mean aligned with normal common sense view of life based on things such as reality and truth, not fantasy and denial. Even if such people (which is the majority really) are attacked as Nazis etc, ad hominem. In fact, I would go so far to say that more right wing people support the Supreme Court ruling, simply because they are in touch with reality, as well as being alarmed at where the increasingly degenerate motivations of Stonewall and similar people were now leading us, our children and society.

Just to add : JK Rowling, whilst doing a brillliant job invoking the female rights agenda on the trans issue is of course a classic left-wing liberal; she supported Remain and has been a Labour voter most if not all her life. It was the Labour Party of course who were the most enthusiastic upholder of “trans” rights.

umar kremlev, the president of the International Boxing Association that banned imar khelif and lin yu-ting from the women's competition:

""We got the test results that they allowed us to take themselves and these tests show they have a high level of testosterone like a man," Kremlev said through a translator. "Man's level of testosterone."

tests were dismissed because iba was (and is) "russian lead". both boxers were allowed to compete in paris and both won gold medals.

Ed Davey on Laura Kuensberg saying the Supreme Court ruling needs "clarity." Must be hard of hearing.

The Lib Dems booted out a female candidate who wore a t shirt stating that a woman is an adult human female.

Hope she sues them.

She did. She won.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6272x8q1x3o

Stephen O’Rahilly - not a name that will mean much to most of you but a major figure on the UK medical and healthcare scene.

He reposted SEEN in Health’s tweet who highlight Margaret McCartney and Susan Bewley’s piece about why conflating sex and gender data in healthcare in inadvisable (Alice Sullivan’s review).

O’Rahilly wrote:
Great to see this in the BMJ. Would be important to see journals like The Lance and NEJM show a similar commitment to publishing material of this nature.

Brad Blitz at UCL who not only lent his weight to the Women’s Liberation Conference 2020 but spoke at it which framed it as UCL not trying to hide from this despite a massive amount of internal opposition.

Dr Az Hakeem. One of the saner members of the medical team at the Tavistock.