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Tomorrow's Mail front page: Labour trying to reverse reverse ferret

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teawamutu · 19/04/2025 22:42

Fuck sake is this ever going to be over?

Please tell me this is bollocks to hold Starmer's feet to the fire, somebody?

https://x.com/MailOnlineScot/status/1913702114129330408

https://x.com/MailOnlineScot/status/1913702114129330408

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nauticant · 20/04/2025 09:37

Bryant has tweeted a somewhat opaque denial:

https://x.com/RhonddaBryant/status/1913855848499073447

SunnieShine · 20/04/2025 09:39

Igmum · 20/04/2025 07:58

OMG Noooo! And yes, never thought I’d say this, but thank you DM for outing this. Here’s hoping there’s enough sanity in the Labour Party to avoid this like the plague.

I've thanked the Daily Mail many times for their coverage of trans issues.

PoshCoffee · 20/04/2025 09:42

Mistyglade · 19/04/2025 23:54

So I would check the voracity of your news source, that’s all.

The Daily Mail has hosted many many feminist articles about this subject over the past few years, as has the Times and The Telegraph.
Unlike the Guardian that just couldn’t be arsed.

anyolddinosaur · 20/04/2025 09:43

Part of the country has council elections very soon - this is a reasonably predictable move by the Mail to discourage voting for Labour councillors. The paper may not have the greatest reputation but it doesnt want to be sued and sadly there is nothing unbelievable about some people in the Labour party plotting against women. It's a misogynistic party and the unions are misogynistic too.

Starmer knows trying to change the law can no longer be done on the quiet, he's not going to try to do it with reform a major risk. He wants to be in power after the next election.

KnottyAuty · 20/04/2025 09:44

Pluvia · 20/04/2025 08:59

She's coming to the end of her fixed-term contract at the end of November. Her term was extended last year to give her time to get this under control. I'm sure she'll be thrilled to be able to leave this task behind. I know she (and everyone else involved with the EHRC) has been subject to years of abuse.

Sorry this is an aside - You’ve given me an idea. Someone else posted about the definition of Terrorism. Threats, coercion, violence - all have been used against individuals and organisations by trans activists. Firstly we need to start calling that out. Is there a way to gather information about the threats to the EHRC and publicise? Secondly how do we get a #MeToo style set of disclosures from institutions?

Publicity on the extent of the threats from this vulnerable group would be very useful to stiffen Labour’s spine

nauticant · 20/04/2025 09:45

I always think this front page is useful to have in mind on Daily-Mail-bad threads:

Tomorrow's Mail front page: Labour trying to reverse reverse ferret
Zebedee999 · 20/04/2025 09:47

Namechange7598 · 19/04/2025 23:03

Starmer needs to speak out

He won't. He couldn't state what a woman was when asked so most likely will be happy for the recent judgement to bve over turned. He is and always has been anti woman, yet many vote for him. Turkeys/Christmas and all that.

WorriedMutha · 20/04/2025 09:51

I'm happy to see controversy rage for Labour in the run up to the locals on 1st May. Reform are predicted to do well in Wales so it is good to see MPs with Welsh constituencies spouting bollocks. Badenoch is all over this as well so let the protests come and force Starmer to pick a side. Or it well work out for Labour as well as it did for the Democrats.

Winterwonders24 · 20/04/2025 09:52

ArchibaldBoyd · 20/04/2025 09:16

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14628803/Final-proof-party-touch-Labour.html

Jo Phoenix also in the Mail and also referring to the WhatsApps.

I think the DM are loving this - they get to stick it to Labour.

But labour cut the branch, made the stick, and hand delivered it to the Mail: and to be honest, they should be thrashed!! So what it's the mail doing it currently? It's getting boring the whole "Trump [insert person of choice ] also says woman are women, like you. So you must agree on everything, and can safely be ignored!" They can fuck off with that now: until they accept Vegetarians are nazis...because Hitler was, then they can shove their stupid ,juvenile, bad faith up their backsides.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 20/04/2025 09:53

nauticant · 20/04/2025 09:45

I always think this front page is useful to have in mind on Daily-Mail-bad threads:

How far back in time did you have to go for that one?

Winterwonders24 · 20/04/2025 09:56

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 20/04/2025 09:53

How far back in time did you have to go for that one?

Not as far as you'd have to go to see the Guardian never risked it

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 20/04/2025 09:56

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 20/04/2025 09:53

How far back in time did you have to go for that one?

So sometimes being right expires?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 20/04/2025 09:56

nauticant · 20/04/2025 09:37

Bryant has tweeted a somewhat opaque denial:

https://x.com/RhonddaBryant/status/1913855848499073447

And I bet he wishes he hadn’t as people are quite rightly asking him to clarify what he meant when he said he agreed with steve race’s comment that what baroness falkener said about TW not using women’s single sex spaces was appalling

Tryingtokeepgoing · 20/04/2025 09:58

Dorisbonson · 20/04/2025 06:52

I think you mean veracity? If you are going to question the quality of the publication you shoukd take the trouble to spell correctly or pick the correct word.

Oh I don’t know. Spelling mistakes are to be expected in the Guardian, and that tries to pass itself off as a serious publication 🤣🤣 Though it usually ends up coming across more ‘student union’ serious than actually serious ☺️

Rainbowpug · 20/04/2025 10:01

Can they actually do anything though?
This court ruling,they can't influence that ..can they ??

Theeyeballsinthesky · 20/04/2025 10:02

Rainbowpug · 20/04/2025 10:01

Can they actually do anything though?
This court ruling,they can't influence that ..can they ??

No they can’t. The only way would be to amend the equality act itself & I can’t see anyway starmer would be mad enough to do that

Rainbowpug · 20/04/2025 10:03

Thank goodness

PronounssheRa · 20/04/2025 10:04

Theeyeballsinthesky · 20/04/2025 09:56

And I bet he wishes he hadn’t as people are quite rightly asking him to clarify what he meant when he said he agreed with steve race’s comment that what baroness falkener said about TW not using women’s single sex spaces was appalling

Has he answered?

frenchnoodle · 20/04/2025 10:04

Remember when the Guardian paid a lot of money to publish Hitler's diaries...

And it was all wasted because they were fake.

We could be here all day if we talk about terrible fact checking.

SionnachRuadh · 20/04/2025 10:05

And the problem with amending the Act is, if they try to do what Stonewall has long demanded and replace the PCs of sex and gender reassignment with a single PC of gender identity, they'd have to define gender identity.

TheOtherRaven · 20/04/2025 10:07

So it's proven, the only women that matter to Labour are the male ones.

I would not be in the least surprised at a serious attempt to destroy women's protections in law - which is what this would have to be. The current law has been found to carve out specific protections for women. The purpose of an amendment would be specifically to destroy those protections as being too inconvenient to men.

But Labour are happy to freeze the elderly, take benefits from disabled people and shrug at what happens to them, they're about to remove educational support from kids with SEND, and they're planning on a 'conversion' bill that would significantly mess with child safeguarding, so yes, I could believe that destroying women's rights in law would be something they're up for.

Every time I have written to my Labour MP the first response to my mail has been to stress that the most important thing in any decisions about women's rights is to 'respect' men.

Are those faithful who were so desperate to believe that Labour would not be harmful to women doing ok? Anyone need a drink? I'm sorry you've had to learn the hard way what was bleeding obvious for years.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 20/04/2025 10:07

Theeyeballsinthesky · 20/04/2025 10:02

No they can’t. The only way would be to amend the equality act itself & I can’t see anyway starmer would be mad enough to do that

But they managed to undermine women’s rights before by acting in the shadows. That’s why I’m so pleased the DM is drawing attention to this new, nascent conspiracy, although I do (of course) understand that they’re doing it because watching Labour step on their own rake suits a Tory leaning paper down to the ground

TheOtherRaven · 20/04/2025 10:09

anyolddinosaur · 20/04/2025 09:43

Part of the country has council elections very soon - this is a reasonably predictable move by the Mail to discourage voting for Labour councillors. The paper may not have the greatest reputation but it doesnt want to be sued and sadly there is nothing unbelievable about some people in the Labour party plotting against women. It's a misogynistic party and the unions are misogynistic too.

Starmer knows trying to change the law can no longer be done on the quiet, he's not going to try to do it with reform a major risk. He wants to be in power after the next election.

If he is crazy enough to try this, it should pretty much guarantee a Reform win. The deafening leftist middle class voices don't add up to that many votes, unfortunately the ordinary people and the working class still have them too.

nauticant · 20/04/2025 10:10

It was actually The Sunday Times and not The Guardian @frenchnoodle.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 20/04/2025 10:10

PronounssheRa · 20/04/2025 10:04

Has he answered?

Nope! He’s just being all ‘I’m hurt, these are lies, I’ve always supported women’ but completely avoiding answering the direct question