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Tomorrow's Mail front page: Labour trying to reverse reverse ferret

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teawamutu · 19/04/2025 22:42

Fuck sake is this ever going to be over?

Please tell me this is bollocks to hold Starmer's feet to the fire, somebody?

https://x.com/MailOnlineScot/status/1913702114129330408

https://x.com/MailOnlineScot/status/1913702114129330408

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Shortshriftandlethal · 21/04/2025 11:18

I know what you mean..... but it also It strikes me that the trans movement is a home for all sorts of odd balls and misfits. If you look at the crowd.....looks like a combination of incels, overweight and not conventionally attractive people, isolated gamers, and those with knock knees and pigeon toes.

I'm not sure what look that guy is aiming for........certainly not rock chick, or sexy tennis girl. Maybe he's going for the 'Hinge and Bracket' look?

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 21/04/2025 11:18

SionnachRuadh · 21/04/2025 11:15

The way it will work is, the job will be open for applications, there will be interviews with a panel, the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster (Pat McFadden) will decide on his preferred candidate, and the PM will have to agree.

Because this is a significant appointment that's supposed to be independent and hold the government to account, there will be a pre-appointment hearing with the Women and Equalities Committee where the preferred candidate will be questioned on their fitness for the job.

As I see it, if Harman applies she would on the face of it be a very credible candidate. So what it will come down to is either there's a stronger candidate or Pat McFadden and/or No10 spads decide she's too controversial a proposition.

So it might be best to game out what happens if she does get it. And there I think she might be constrained. She might fudge guidance, but actually going against the SC would be highly risky for her.

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I agree, but I also think that making it clear that she is far too controversial - I don’t think Joe/Josephine Public are on board with normalising paedophilia. There needs to be a concerted effort to remind them of her links to that.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 21/04/2025 11:19

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 21/04/2025 11:18

I agree, but I also think that making it clear that she is far too controversial - I don’t think Joe/Josephine Public are on board with normalising paedophilia. There needs to be a concerted effort to remind them of her links to that.

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In other words, make her too hot to handle.

SionnachRuadh · 21/04/2025 11:22

I think there's also a question of whether it's a good idea to have the head of an independent regulator be someone who's so obviously party political. Labour might not care, they might take the view that they're in charge with a huge majority and what they say goes.

But if I were advising Labour I might be looking for someone who's less of a lightning rod. I might ask what Ben Summerskill has been doing recently, and whether he's said anything controversial on this issue.

EasternStandard · 21/04/2025 11:28

The best way to hold Labour’s feet to the fire is to vote in a way that will unsettle them at the local elections.

The polls show an election today would govern Reform power. Of course there’s a while to go before the next GE so there might be oh it will change. Votes OTH do send a message.

If they keep sounding out of touch and pissing people / women off it’s not without consequence.

EasternStandard · 21/04/2025 11:32

Shortshriftandlethal · 21/04/2025 10:44

Surely some of that crowd must be feeling embarrassed?

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1913984842582106289

Blimey. JKR is so good on this.

I also love anti-women legislators title she gives. That needs to stick to politicians who do it.

BiologicalRobot · 21/04/2025 11:49

RedToothBrush · 21/04/2025 11:08

Christ Almighty.

I avoid making comments along these lines as a rule, but if you stick a grey skirt of that length and design, you really aren't helping your own optics. Especially when combined with that top combo which screams Gryffindor.

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That was my school skirt from the 70s. It wasn't even fashionable back then, and was hoping it had been burned into obscurity Shock

RayonSunrise · 21/04/2025 12:14

Shortshriftandlethal · 21/04/2025 10:06

Supreme Court rulings are binding and can only ever be over-turned in very extreme circumstances, and then it has to be over-turned by the Supreme Court itself. Supreme court rulings are binding on all lower courts.

The ruling was unequivocal. There were no caveats.

This doesn't mean that lower courts and organisations and activist barristers will not attempt to challenge the ruling. This is why the guidance from the EHCR is so important, and Baronness Falkner is determined to give very clear new guidance before she leaves office.This is what most concerns angela Eagle, Chris Bryant etc.....at present the ruling is theoretical, but when guidance is issued then organisations will have to act on that guidance, or else face penalties.

What this group wants to do is to thwart, or certainly to anticipate, the upcoming guidance and maybe try to get changes effected by organisations as soon as possible - so as to get around the new guidance in advance. Sarah Montague, on BBC Radio 4, was suggesting that the guidance could be got around by all places implementing unisex facilities now ( unisex facilities are not against the ruling if they already exist, as far as I understand?)Harriet Harman, and the BBC, are still misrepresenting the ruling.

Kier Starmer made a pledge at the last election to make getting a GRC far easier. Being a lawyer he thought he was on firm legal ground when he said that "some women have a penis".......but that has now been dismissed. Even with a GRC. a man is not a woman in law. He is going to be paralysed, not knowing what to do, and will continue to try and fudge the issue.

The NEU ( teacher's union) have become radicalised loons and at this week's conference they are vowing not to change trans policies in schools.

The battle is still on. It was good to enjoy the recent win.....but the war is not over. This saga has a long time to run yet...and there is a need for caution and for longer term determination and strategy.

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Sounds like we all need to get writing to our Labour MPs. Sitting around hoping a Reform vote in local elections will be read the right way just isn’t going to be clear enough.

RethinkingLife · 21/04/2025 12:20

fromorbit · 21/04/2025 11:57

Clock is ticking.

Final proof that party I once loved is hopelessly out of touch, writes PROFESSOR JO PHOENIX

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14628803/Final-proof-party-touch-Labour.html

Archive for those who have trouble loading the DM site

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WarriorN · 21/04/2025 12:23

EasternStandard · 21/04/2025 11:32

Blimey. JKR is so good on this.

I also love anti-women legislators title she gives. That needs to stick to politicians who do it.

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That’s very Japanese school girl style outfit🤢

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 21/04/2025 12:29

Shortshriftandlethal · 21/04/2025 10:44

Surely some of that crowd must be feeling embarrassed?

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1913984842582106289

Comments have been made, I have no idea which thread, about the fact that the TRA's are focusing their rhetoric on toilets in order to minimise women's concern's. They had a gathering in London on Saturday when they kept going on about toilets, and if this gathering was in Edinburgh (or Scotland) all the way up the other end of the country, and this idiot is also going on about toilets, it seems the the comments are justified. It also seems there's a bit of co-ordination going on between the rent a gobs.

EasternStandard · 21/04/2025 12:34

RayonSunrise · 21/04/2025 12:14

Sounds like we all need to get writing to our Labour MPs. Sitting around hoping a Reform vote in local elections will be read the right way just isn’t going to be clear enough.

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It’s worth doing. I find it maddening as Labour are cloth eared when I write.

TheOtherRaven · 21/04/2025 12:40

As I've said on other threads, my Labour MP is cloth eared to put it mildly. Any contact I make regarding women, the first thing he says in reply is the most important thing about women's rights is to be respectful to men.

He is an entrenched misogynist who openly believes that men's rights should be valued above women's and sees no problem with this. I suspect he's one of many in the party. It's past time that people began to be ashamed for voting for open men's activists parties and politicians as they are for voting for openly racist parties and politicians.

DrPrunesqualer · 21/04/2025 13:12

TheOtherRaven · 21/04/2025 12:40

As I've said on other threads, my Labour MP is cloth eared to put it mildly. Any contact I make regarding women, the first thing he says in reply is the most important thing about women's rights is to be respectful to men.

He is an entrenched misogynist who openly believes that men's rights should be valued above women's and sees no problem with this. I suspect he's one of many in the party. It's past time that people began to be ashamed for voting for open men's activists parties and politicians as they are for voting for openly racist parties and politicians.

That’s just appalling.
Id keep any emails he sends and send them to Starmer.( actually no point )

better still The Daily Mail

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teawamutu · 21/04/2025 13:36

TheOtherRaven · 21/04/2025 12:40

As I've said on other threads, my Labour MP is cloth eared to put it mildly. Any contact I make regarding women, the first thing he says in reply is the most important thing about women's rights is to be respectful to men.

He is an entrenched misogynist who openly believes that men's rights should be valued above women's and sees no problem with this. I suspect he's one of many in the party. It's past time that people began to be ashamed for voting for open men's activists parties and politicians as they are for voting for openly racist parties and politicians.

Mine's exactly the same. A TRA-adjacent progressive misogynist.

Replaced a VG woman who was Tory but 100% sound on the issue.

Among the many other reasons to resent TRAs, fuck em all for making me dismayed that a Labour MP was elected locally.

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BlakeCarrington · 21/04/2025 14:13

Mistyglade · 20/04/2025 10:43

Oooooh! Sorry DM reading typo police officer.

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Killer comeback 🙄

Mistyglade · 21/04/2025 14:36

BlakeCarrington · 21/04/2025 14:13

Killer comeback 🙄

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Thanks 😎

Violetparis · 21/04/2025 16:16

The right wing press will be all over Harriet Harman's connections to PIE if she is a candidate, and rightly so. Every Labour MP will be asked about it on the media rounds.

StellaAndCrow · 21/04/2025 16:48

WarriorN · 21/04/2025 12:23

That’s very Japanese school girl style outfit🤢

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Yes. And the guy in the red skirt behind him is clearly enjoying the whole thing rather too much.

Tomorrow's Mail front page: Labour trying to reverse reverse ferret
selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/04/2025 17:08

Shortshriftandlethal · 21/04/2025 10:06

Supreme Court rulings are binding and can only ever be over-turned in very extreme circumstances, and then it has to be over-turned by the Supreme Court itself. Supreme court rulings are binding on all lower courts.

The ruling was unequivocal. There were no caveats.

This doesn't mean that lower courts and organisations and activist barristers will not attempt to challenge the ruling. This is why the guidance from the EHCR is so important, and Baronness Falkner is determined to give very clear new guidance before she leaves office.This is what most concerns angela Eagle, Chris Bryant etc.....at present the ruling is theoretical, but when guidance is issued then organisations will have to act on that guidance, or else face penalties.

What this group wants to do is to thwart, or certainly to anticipate, the upcoming guidance and maybe try to get changes effected by organisations as soon as possible - so as to get around the new guidance in advance. Sarah Montague, on BBC Radio 4, was suggesting that the guidance could be got around by all places implementing unisex facilities now ( unisex facilities are not against the ruling if they already exist, as far as I understand?)Harriet Harman, and the BBC, are still misrepresenting the ruling.

Kier Starmer made a pledge at the last election to make getting a GRC far easier. Being a lawyer he thought he was on firm legal ground when he said that "some women have a penis".......but that has now been dismissed. Even with a GRC. a man is not a woman in law. He is going to be paralysed, not knowing what to do, and will continue to try and fudge the issue.

The NEU ( teacher's union) have become radicalised loons and at this week's conference they are vowing not to change trans policies in schools.

The battle is still on. It was good to enjoy the recent win.....but the war is not over. This saga has a long time to run yet...and there is a need for caution and for longer term determination and strategy.

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at this week's conference they are vowing not to change trans policies in schools.

I'm pretty sure that, on Mumsnet of all places, we can collectively find the money to take a school to court. It just needs one parent "with standing" to file a case.

PronounssheRa · 21/04/2025 17:17

Violetparis · 21/04/2025 16:16

The right wing press will be all over Harriet Harman's connections to PIE if she is a candidate, and rightly so. Every Labour MP will be asked about it on the media rounds.

Its a nice thought, but Harmans connections to PIE have done nothing to derail her career so far

SidewaysOtter · 21/04/2025 17:41

PronounssheRa · 21/04/2025 17:17

Its a nice thought, but Harmans connections to PIE have done nothing to derail her career so far

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It was brought up by the BBC some time ago. She maintained she had nothing to apologise for 😡

SionnachRuadh · 21/04/2025 17:59

Putting the PIE connection in the headlines probably wouldn't sink her with Labour, but it might shift another couple of hundred thousand votes to Reform.

As it happens, I think that's the only thing that might concentrate minds in Labour.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 21/04/2025 18:06

SionnachRuadh · 21/04/2025 17:59

Putting the PIE connection in the headlines probably wouldn't sink her with Labour, but it might shift another couple of hundred thousand votes to Reform.

As it happens, I think that's the only thing that might concentrate minds in Labour.

See the thing is this: not that long ago I had no idea about her connection to PIE. I had no idea what PIE was. I was revolted by her the minute I found this out. I am certain that there a lot of people out there who (a) currently don’t know, like I didn’t, and (b) would have a similar sense of revulsion if they did.

Can we take out a billboard or twelve?