Tomorrow's Mail front page: Labour trying to reverse reverse ferret

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Fuck sake is this ever going to be over?

Please tell me this is bollocks to hold Starmer's feet to the fire, somebody?

https://x.com/MailOnlineScot/status/1913702114129330408

I didnt write that DM is a reliable source. In my opinion, all news media is now unreliable in one way or another based on their ideology. Each story has to be assessed on its merits. I read the full story in the DM and it seems very credible to me. You are asserting otherwise with no evidence. Take your lecture elsewhere.

Eluned Morgan, First Minister for Wales….a mere 3 years ago.

“We have made clear our stance that trans women are women, trans men are men and non-binary identities are valid. We restate our support for trans people’s right to self-identification.”

That’s a bit more of an attempt at arguing your case but it still reads as more snide than factual.

I’ve learned the hard way that reading widely is never a bad idea when it comes to media sources - I have no loyalty to any news organisation because I don’t wish to be stuck in an echo chamber any longer. If The Mail can prove their case I’ll take them seriously, if not I won’t. But I won’t discount their contribution to the public discussion based purely on other people being dismissive.

The article is prime Daily Mail in that the headline suggests more than the story. It’s surely no surprise at all that Chris Bryant and Angela Eagle are unhappy about this?

I think you mean veracity? If you are going to question the quality of the publication you shoukd take the trouble to spell correctly or pick the correct word.

Keir Starmer is NOT going to do anything to change the law.

He's faced down his backbenchers over the WFA, the child benefit limit,disability benefits....

Hid chief advisor is obsessed with holding off Reform even at the risk of losing more left wing voters.

I know not everyone follows politics closely but the fact he's a ruthless f*cker who's willing to do most things to win should now be fairly obvious!!

Just ask Jeremy Corbyn.

It seems that you are suggesting the article contains fabrications.

If you are asserting that those WhatsApp messages are fabricated then say that, rather than a pathetic , “I’m not saying anything but…”

They can try to pass new legislation if they want. I suspect Starmer won't bother, though plenty might like him too.

That said I worry that the pro-trans people in Labour are exactly the sort to moan incessantly about laws they don't like whilst making absolutely no serious effort to change them. That's exactly how the American left operates nowadays and transism is of course highly influenced by that school of politics. They think it's easier to try to get votes by promising to change stuff than to actually do anything to change it. (See also the Tories on immigration and the economy.)

I agree

The Mail is exaggerating the actions of a few discontents.

Starmer would have been very happy with the judgement as it meant he could carry on fence sitting on the issue.

Well done to whoever leaked that conversation and to the Mail for publishing it. The time for deals to remove women's rights happening behind closed doors is over.
If MPs want to challenge the Supreme Court decision and advise people to undermine it, say it openly and see where that level of student politics gets them.

Naivety lies in accepting what the Mail says without reservation. I do know that most other serious news sources believe considerably more in checking their facts.

What lecture? Are you quite sure that you're not believing this because you want to?

Don't expect these MPs unhappy with the court ruling from the SC will be bothered that in addition to all the threats of violence against women on yesterday's protest, the women from FWS are receiving daily death threats. Articles in the Times with archive link below (I'm sure the Guardian & BBc will get around to reporting this... maybe...)

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/women-threatened-statues-defaced-supreme-court-trans-mwv6dvpz2

https://archive.ph/BMey6

Exactly that. We are setting up a WhatsApp group at work as part of emergency plan. Been told it’s covered by FOI legislation so public.

OMG Noooo! And yes, never thought I’d say this, but thank you DM for outing this. Here’s hoping there’s enough sanity in the Labour Party to avoid this like the plague.

This is literally just some of the people in the Labour Party that you would have predicted being angry at the judgment being angry at the judgment. It’s a non-story.

I see some posters have resorted to the tried and trusted Shoot The Messenger approach.

Alongside some gentle minimising.

This forces Keir Starmer's hand. He now has to respond.

Yes, here’s the story. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14628401/Labour-Whatsapp-leaked-messages-transgender-court-ruling.html

Maybe they forgot Rosie Duffield was in the group ;

Would be amusing if so.

Good on whoever leaked it. Labour are bad on this.

Well the facts it’s on the front page of a well read newspaper, is all over X and we are discussing it here, would suggest that it is quite the opposite of a “non-story”.

This "labour won't do it as it's bad politics" faith is touching...but dies remind me of those before the election saying Labour were better for women overall abd to trust them: hows that worked so far?

You can have legislation that does not disagree with the Supreme Court ruling. One that says someone with a GRC can access certain services. I am of the view that Keir Starmer will not bring forward legislation.

We had similar on here for welfare cuts. Lots of it’s the media making it up. Up until Labour brought them in.

What a surprise (not).

It always suited Labour that the law was so confusing nobody knew what it meant. They didn’t give a shit that numerous women are having to spend years and hundreds of thousands of pounds to establish their rights. They could have stepped in at any time to clarify things either way but instead they just kept making statements about how the law is perfectly clear as it is, treating us like we are stupid.

There were twitter rumours yesterday that Labour activists and union bods etc were discussing ways around the ruling. Unions in particular are a massive problem when it comes to upholding women's rights, and they still hold a lot of power over the party.

I don't think starmer is daft enough to change the law, more likely he will just try to pretend none of this is happening. The problem is, i just dont trust Labour, they have talked out of both sides of their mouth for too long on this, sometimes to the point of gaslighting. The government, and all its inatitutions, the NHS, police, CPS, the civil service public etc need to be watch like a hawk.