Tomorrow's Mail front page: Labour trying to reverse reverse ferret

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Fuck sake is this ever going to be over?

Please tell me this is bollocks to hold Starmer's feet to the fire, somebody?

https://x.com/MailOnlineScot/status/1913702114129330408

You honestly believe this whole article is made up fiction? Quoted WhatsApp messages with names?
Don’t you think that would expose the paper to a potential libel case from each person named?

You may not like the DM but I’m pretty sure they have a legal department which ensures they don’t make themselves vulnerable to court cases in this way.

Clearly.

And sadly, I can't say I am surprised.

It just shows how out of step with the majority of voters they are, if it's remotely true.

Lots of people who have apparently never read the daily mail have strong opinions about it's articles, which of course they will never actually read.

And repeat.

This is the encouraging bit

Someone in the Labour Front Bench WhatsApp chat wants to torpedo any attempt to hand free votes to Reform.

That suggests they are committed, determined and understand the problem.

Maybe it was Starmer(!) in a damage limitation exercise to kill this off once and for all. I half joke here. It would be within his own best interests, more than anyone else. I suspect it's actually someone else but either way, someone really doesn't want this group of MPs to get their way.

All four of them are gay, lesbian or 'a member of the LGBTQ+' community.

Bryant and Eagle are Stonewall's puppets. Guessing the other two are having strings pulled too.

There's a new GC LGB group called Labour LGB who will be onto this. https://labourlist.org/2025/02/labour-lgb-splinter-group-trans-rights/
They only started up a couple of months ago (it's a major thing in the Labour Party, starting a group without the mandatory T) and they have yet to get their website up and running, but they're... well, shall we say they're the right people in the right place at the right time.

Also think the leak may be good for Labour if Starmer stands up to these MPs and TRA activists. Starmer is ruthless and law abiding so I am hopeful that common sense and political sense will prevail. If he doesn't take the opportunity when the ruling has given him clear grounds then Labour deserve to be wiped out.

Keir kills off a difficult subject without having to comment publicly and is able to sit on the fence. It suits him to leak. Especially if secretly he thinks it's bollocks anyway. And it kills off a key threat from Streeting.

Wes has nailed his colours to the mast. He is fully committed to the Darlington nurses. He has clocked the insanity and he's clocked it's a massive vote loser. But this subject is arguably his best strategy to oust Starmer if this blew up. So it depends on whether Streeting actually believes it's a hill to die on or whether it's a career subject. Has he really had that Road to Damascus trip?

There is always the possibility that both think it's nonsense and they both want to keep Labour in power. There's nothing to say what's in private WhatsApp messaging between individuals MPs now is there?

Given this subject is Labour's Kryptonite, I wouldnt put it past Starmer to quietly have worked / supported Streeting to leak.

I doubt Starmer is the leaker, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was well aware it was going to happen.

Try reading what has been said though. Maybe you could be in full possession of the information at hand before dismissing and telling everyone to ‘touch grass’?

Are you suggesting that these MPs/Ministers/Unions are incapable of such madness? If so you may have missed large chunks of the last few years.

The problem for KS is that this makes him look weak. He’s yet to make any comment on a story which has massive public interest. It’s not often that a SC judgment hits the front pages of every newspaper and stays in the news for days. Non stories can do a lot of damage. You only have to look at what happened to Boris to understand that.

And Angela Eagle is easily bonkers enough to have that view. Despite being a lesbian.

She's coming to the end of her fixed-term contract at the end of November. Her term was extended last year to give her time to get this under control. I'm sure she'll be thrilled to be able to leave this task behind. I know she (and everyone else involved with the EHRC) has been subject to years of abuse.

Labour list published stuff almost as soon as the judgement came out

I don’t

apart from its shit views on a number of subjects (but not all) its virtually the same as every other newspaper out there for ‘facts’

tell me what stand alone news source is reliable

Chris Bryant has also, always, been a trans activist. He is closely allied with Stonewall, as is Eagle. And of course he represents a Welsh constituency and Welsh Labour are still trapped deep in the TWAW mire because of deference to deluded old Mark Drakeford, their grandfather figure who is no longer First Minister but who still manages to maintain coercive control over the party and Eluned Morgan. If you think Labour in Westminster is a vicious bearpit you should try Welsh Labour.

The article highlighted some excellent shit stirring from Kemi Badenoch which I shall follow with interest

Last night, with the Government in turmoil, Tory leader Kemi Badenoch wrote to the Cabinet Secretary calling for an investigation into a statement by Equalities Minister Bridget Phillipson, who reacted to the judgment by saying: ‘We have always supported the protection of single sex spaces based on biological sex.’

and if some Malcolm Tucker type isn’t currently carpeting Chris Bryant somewhere with colourful expletives I shall be very disappointed.

Senior Labour people conspiring against the head of the EHRC is very concerning. I’m glad this article was published

A giveaway because it's a word used by Grauniad readers, or because it's spelled incorrectly? Voracity and veracity are very different things!

Do you think they can print MP names like this with no repercussions? Unless they have a leak

Kier Starmer isn't on the fence. He came down on the side on men's rights activists a long time ago. He allowed Rosie Duffield to be bullied out of party, believes some women have a penis and stating that only women have a cervix mustn't be said. He has picked a side.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14628803/Final-proof-party-touch-Labour.html

Jo Phoenix also in the Mail and also referring to the WhatsApps.

I think the DM are loving this - they get to stick it to Labour.

I can't see the political appetite for this.

It would have to pass through 2 houses.

There are obviously some very misogynistic men (and women) who don't believe women should have rights but I don't think that they are in the majority.

But good that the ones that would want women to lose rights are being named and shamed.

A trans row could be deeply harmful to labour. You just have to look at the Greens and the SNP to see how divisive it is. I wonder what percentage of their MPs think TWAW?

So as far as I can tell this is the MPs who you would expect to throw a fit over the SC ruling. Unfortunately there are lots of them in Labour.

On the other hand, Shabana Mahmood is strongly pro women, Wes Streeting has decided that it's in his interest to be strongly pro women, ditto Anas Sarwar though his rewriting of history is annoying. Reverse ferreting from Bridget Phillipson who I see as a weathervane.

I don't believe Morgan McSweeney gives a fuck about women - his part of the Labour apparatus has always been a boys' club - but he's obsessed with the possibility of Labour MPs playing student union politics with unpopular issues and gifting votes to Reform. Therefore he just wants this to go away.

And absolute silence from the leader as usual. Perhaps we need Tony Blair to make a speech so Starmer can quote it.

I might have missed it, but I don't think I've seen anything from Rayner. She's been one of the most vocal TRAs in Labour, but she also very much wants to be PM.

Helen Joyce said, on the day of the ruling, that Starmer was a lawyer through and through— he thinks of everything in legal terms. When he said that 99.9% of women didn't have penises it was because, as a lawyer, he was aware of the existence of a number of men with GRCs who were, according to the law, women, but did have penises.

I would have hoped that by now, as a lawyer, he'd be up on his hind legs quoting the Supreme Court and saying that TW are men. I'm disappointed he hasn't seized the opportunity to make a clean break from Corbyn and the past and start again with women, once more, a discrete sex category.

The headline is overblown. Ignore that and look at the evidence and decide for yourself. That’s what people are doing in the posts I’ve seen. You’ve had very good explanations from others about this and that’s fine if you disagree but maybe you could start your own thread to discuss your opinion on the paper generally - maybe on the chat board. Because no one here’s much interested in your tangential points - Fwiw I’m not a DM fan either but that’s not the subject under discussion. Read the room

Wasn't Wes himself part of a WhatsApp group planning to expel GC Labour members and MPs? Surely the trans lobby wouldn't have him in a conversation , since his conversion to sanity?